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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:59 pm 
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Liesel- I do agree with you somewhat, but I don't give Shellie a pass for talking with the media, even if she was upset. She'd been in that rodeo for a yr and a half and knew the media were sharks. IMO, she felt she would use them to advance her own agenda(whatever it was). She should have known how that would end.
Mbtb- we have no idea what kind of marriage they had during the trial, nor what kind of agreement or arrangements they had. They could have split, w/o the formalities, long before she announced she was filing for divorce. I give her credit for being with him in court. However, I'm bothered by the fact that she went straight to the media afterward to announce divorce plans. If she loved him so much, why not go to the media before and tell them how much she loved him and how he was not the monster they claimed him to be?? Nah, I'm not buying that she was hurt because she loved him. Jealous maybe, but even ppl who don't even like their spouse get jealous when they move on.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:02 pm 
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I saw a snip from her interview that said she only liked him as a friend; that he was in love w/ her, and she finally decided to give it a shot & agreed to marry him (I'm paraphrasing). That sounds to me like she never loved him and then got mad when he no longer followed her around like a puppy dog.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:15 am 
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This is the latest article with Wesley Robinson, George's bodyguard friend saying that Scheibe is simply a friend of both men. She lived a few minutes from the house and came along as Wes did. There is no romance with George, claims Wes. They are all friends from high school, he says.

Wes can sing his song all day long, it doesn't change the fact that it is poor judgment to bring a pretty little blonde along, when they knew what Shellie had been saying publically, and how she was feeling. Whether or not the 911 call happened before Shellie saw the girl is irrelevant. The purpose was to create a certain perception in Shellie that George has options open to him. Friends today, doesn't mean they're not kindling something, or that she's not a FWB or FWOB, for one or both of them, but its a pretty big matzo ball hanging out there. It was very deliberate whoever came up with the idea, and it may not have been George's idea.

I think people know what perception they are creating in the minds of others, whether consciously, or purposely putting it out of their awareness because they don't wanna give it too much thought, hoping that they can maintain an air of innocence afterward. How can you not know how others are going to perceive it?

I say this not as criticism of what Wes said, but I have seen people do this sort of thing, and pretend they didn't have any intention to harass, intimidate, provoke or rub other people's noses in what they are so obviously doing.

A Firefighter I knew was telling me a story of how he and other Firefighters from work decided to go to lunch together with a few friends of theirs from the Sheriffs dept. They all parked in their work vehicles at a Mexican Restaurant, and walked in as a group, in full Law enforcement and Firefighter uniforms. All the workers in the Mexican restaurant, cook, waiters, cleaners, and patrons also ran out the back door.

The owner was livid and sued both their departments for frightening off his restaurant staff and customers. The Firefighter tells me that he thought it odd that they all ran off, after all why should they do that if they were not illegal workers? But what he didn't seem to comprehend is that Mexican workers whether legal or not, will be scared if they see a full battalion descend upon them like that. Law enforcement often makes mistakes, and God forbid if those poor fellows didn't have their papers on them or some such thing, they don't wanna go through things in a system where they don't speak the language or know the rules.

The Firefighters and Police were purposefully thoughtless. They could have called the owner and let him know they were going to descend on him like that, so he could inform his staff not to worry. A whole group like that walking into a place which they normally come in to bust? And in his story too, the Firefighter seemed to relish the fact that they walked in looking right smart in their sharp authoritative uniforms.

That's exactly what happened with George and Wes and Scheibe, they simply happened to ask Scheibe to come along when Shellie had told George of at least one girl, don't bring her to the house. Wes or George, someone should have thought about the perception they were creating, with Scheibe all dressed up like they were going on a date, tossing her hair about, kicking her legs this way and that in the sleek long sundress, getting on top of the truck, bending over, twisting this way and that, turning her back to the cameras with phone to her ear like see how important I am (she didn't look shaken at all, she seemed to be relishing the attention)!

Just like that Firefighter relishing his story with minute details about how they ran all the Mexicans out of that restaurant. No thought to maybe, they should have considered how the Mexicans perceived them and how scared they might have been, not knowing what kind of bust these guys were about to do.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... paign=1490


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:42 pm 
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Thanks, rick madigan. :)

Hmmmm... Let's see...

We know that GZ told LE that he chose to go to the residence for the purpose of checking up on SZ, to see that what she was taking was only what was agreed upon. So, it's not an accident that the 'pal' was with them.

We also know that the 'pal' stayed in the truck, at least for a time, and before there were any obvious or loud issues. SZ didn't know she was there until near the end of her call to LE. So she wasn't brought as an additional witness.

We know the 'pal' refused to give a statement or to tell LE the nature of her relationship to GZ.

That's just off the top of my head, without putting thought into it, much less checking docs. I'm not calling Wes a liar, cos I don't know. But color me skeptical of the assertion she was only there because she lived a few minutes away. That makes it sound like they picked her up on the way.

Ring, ring. "Oh, of course I want to go sit in your truck while you take photos/video of your ex-wife! Yeah, I agree, that wouldn't be a provocative act, and besides, it's not like you two have gotten into any problems lately, like when you showed up with your ex-fiancé and SZ filed for divorce. Oh, you say she doesn't know you're coming? You're not supposed to go until she leaves? Well, I sure don't want to miss that. Pick me up on the way!"

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:43 pm 
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It's friday the 13th, I hope that both George & Shellie are hunkered down somewhere.
The last thing either of them need is the media up their a-s today or to run into a group of Trayvon wannabes.
Be safe George & Shellie.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:48 pm 
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Well put, 70scarrestoguy! I hope they both remain safe, out of the media, and that both are quickly healing from all they've suffered. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:50 pm 
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Just because a day without the Media is impossible. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09 ... erman?lite



Edit - the article is titled:
"Local Police Chief Has Concerns
About Zimmerman" and is about
Steve Bracknell, Lake Mary Chief
of police. Some outrageous
comments from him. ~liesel


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Thanks, guywitharod. :)

Pro-tip - it helps to tell a bit about the article, even a sentence; or your opinion of the piece. This story originated at Think Progress. The version you posted is much tamer than the excerpts noted from the TP article in various other places.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:24 pm 
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Legal Insurrection posted T.R.A.Y.V.O.N., mostly about the Alabama marching band who spelled out his name.

There is an older post from September 11th about the dv incident report being released - Shellie Zimmerman Police Report released - but there's no real commentary by Professor Jacobson.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:30 pm 
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LOl I was actually just posting a Thank you for that edit! And I must admit that you have been making some solid points such as this one.
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So... If it turns out that the ipad hitting didn't happen, but that GZ made a mistake, mistook some other action for that in the heat of the moment, given that SZ is on probation and will go to jail for a year if she violates that probation, what will everyone think of that?

I am a person that believes as new data appears an open mind should be your first tool. If things turn out to be vastly different than what I perceived I will be the first to give credit to others and admit that I was mistaken. That is what I value about the internet and places like this.
I tried to explain my views to Jan as such, “I think that this type of discussion is one of the greatest things that humans can do...I think that the only way to grow is to have discussions, listen to others opinions, and to search for the truth.”


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A great attitude...

If things turn out to be vastly different than what I perceived I will be the first to give credit to others and admit that I was mistaken

However..... a lot of "discussion" turns to custard when others simply do not adhere to that. I refer to Traybots of course... IMPRINTED with a false narrative early on... sticking with it despite evidence to the contrary.. in fact STILL sticking to notions that were either never presented (there was no evidence), and even notions that were well and truly disproven (rejected) in Court.

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guywitharod wrote:
LOl I was actually just posting a Thank you for that edit! And I must admit that you have been making some solid points such as this one.
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I am a person that believes as new data appears an open mind should be your first tool. If things turn out to be vastly different than what I perceived I will be the first to give credit to others and admit that I was mistaken. That is what I value about the internet and places like this.
I tried to explain my views to Jan as such, “I think that this type of discussion is one of the greatest things that humans can do...I think that the only way to grow is to have discussions, listen to others opinions, and to search for the truth.”

*applause* all around. :)

GMTA - I wrote something sort of similar yesterday, but not nearly was well. I appreciate it when my posts (and also opinions, positions, ideas, etc.) are intelligently challenged. In reading the thoughtful posts of others, and in defending my own posts, I come to a much better understanding of whatever is being discussed.

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Good point, Rumpole. Let me amend my patting-myself-on-the head in agreement with guywitharod to include "fact driven" challenges. I don't appreciate people who won't look at facts, who make up what they want to believe and call it fact because it fits their narrative, or who don't provide credible sources (links) to back up what they claim as facts. Lookin' at you, Trayborg™!

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guywitharod wrote:
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I am a person that believes as new data appears an open mind should be your first tool...


Yeah, well we all saw how much respect that Dr. Bao got with that approach.


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unitron wrote:

Yeah, well we all saw how much respect that Dr. Bao got with that approach.


LMAO, well played, well played. :lol


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Yeah, cos Traymom™ is now some sort of expert or has anything relevant to say about SYG. :wall

As the other tweeter noted, SYG had nothing to do with GZ's defense. Nothing. Zero. This is just theater from those who are anti-2nd amendment, and a total waste of our tax dollars. There are sooooo many things congress should be discussing. SYG isn't one of them. It's a state law, and, um, 10th amendment?
Any publicity these people get bothers me. I wish they would just go away. They are blatant racists, they propagated racial division in this country, and they told lies upon lies to further their selfish, greedy scheme to persecute an innocent man; to take his life away as their ill-begotten son would have but for GZ's firing in self-defense, so they could profit. He's just a cracker, so his life doesn't matter, right? It's ok for him to be jailed for 30 years for something their son did to him, if it means they get $$$$$.

They should be up on charges of at least obstruction of justice, and also the object of a massive civil suit filed by GZ.

GZ is the only one whose civil rights were violated. The DOJ should be investigating charging the scheme team, including the Trayparents™, not to mention holding the Trayparents™ accountable for the actions of their unsupervised "child" delinquent.

The Trayborg™ insist TM™ was a "child", so they should acknowledge his parents should be held accountable, right? :Gslap

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An old one from Legal Insurrection, but a good one, worth repeating:

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If that is actually an email from Bracknell...

The police chief reveals his politics in that response, along with the fact the information he had at that time was not all accurate. If there was any investigation going on, that response was unprofessional of the Police Chief!


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