Good Morning liesel

Another day, same BS...

Totally agree with your other comments and also share your disgusted outrage. Long ago, at a political forum which included the whigs and bullmoose parties, iirc , my avi read, "If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention".

On this though, other than making a point, I'm not understanding the purpose, and hope you'll explain. We had a beach day yesterday, and all of the sunblock in the world doesn't stop that from frying my brain or at least slowing it down a lot.

I'm not sure what property of GZ they have other than his clothes, gun, and maybe phone, likely none of which he's anxious to get back. And if he did get them back, he would have to turn them over himself, upon a warrant, which Holder has gotten on a pack of lies before, like Rosen. Again, beach brain, but wouldn't it be easier to get any DOJ testing, etc. thrown out (if they ever bring a case), with them getting the stuff outside of proper procedure? Assuming, of course, they didn't bother to get a warrant or do paper work yet.

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The first day or two when the news on this topic came out, the most specific detail I could find on how they were to take possession of the evidence was limited to having "asked" for it. Unable to think of what authority they had to take it, I presumed it was just a play on the news that fit well with Holder's remarks on the continuing investigation, that they would not actually take possession, merely have SPD hold the evidence.

I'm sure they can come up with various reasons that would give them some legal authority to take the evidence, but it would be nice if someone would force them to share that information with us.

They're investigation is merely searching to find a crime, so I too would love to see what authority they used to take possession of evidence that may somehow be proof that could uncover a crime. It must fall under the category that covers warrants to find probable cause!

The family George helped rescue will be holding a press conference at MOM's office today at 1:30.

Steve Malzberg interviews MOM 14 minutes.
Zimmerman Lawyer: Trayvon Had Recipe For "Poor Man's Ecstasy"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... stasy.html

But maybe, just maybe, this time the BS is gonna have some consequences, if not blow up in their faces. I think it's already hurting the BGI - did you see O'Reilly's talking points memo posted yesterday?

Like many, I've generally been very pro-prosecution throughout my life. I want criminals off the streets. I assumed the prosecutors had the same goal. This case has widely opened my eyes and iirc yours, and many others.

People are still calling for consequences for Corey; maybe something will happen. At the very least there is now a plethora of info about her all over the web. If this case doesn't bring her and her minions down, maybe the next one will. I fully expect Nelson to deny the motion for sanctions, because clearly the defense wasn't irreparably harmed; their client was acquitted. I also expect MOM to appeal her decision and hope the DCA will do something about the state's actions.

I hope Nelson gets a strong dressing down too, aka a "How Stupid Can You Be" opinion from the DCA. If GZ wasn't so very clearly innocent and if there wasn't such an overwhelming amount of evidence proving him innocent, he could have easily been convicted due to the state's actions. How many others were and will be? I think the DCA will care about that.

We've got plenty of reasons to be frustrated and disgusted, even embarrassed about the actions taken in our name, but for a change, a welcome, refreshing, change, a lot of people are paying attention, and there may be some consequences. You know, if I knew someone convicted by anyone on that prosecution team, I'd be going over their case with a fine-tooth comb right now.

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He may or may not want his phone back, and likely doesn't want his (chopped up) clothes back. The issue is the gun. He faces legitimate death threats, and retains his second-amendment rights as well as his right to defend himself.

The point is, as far as I know, Holder nor anyone else has yet sworn an oath or affidavit of probable cause, nor obtained a warrant based upon that affidavit, to seize Zimmerman's property. Thus, the FBI's seizure of Zimmerman's property is a blatant violation of Zimmerman's fourth amendment rights.

Forcing the FBI to obtain a warrant would force the feds to produce an affidavit of probable cause - in other words: it would force their hand. It would either box them into a corner (much as Florida's PCA did in their malicious prosecution for second-degree murder), or would force them to admit that they have no probable cause to pursue prosecution of any alleged federal crime committed by Zimmerman.

It's a put-up-or-shut-up move.

That, and I am adamantly opposed, on principle, to any attempt by the government to trample the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.

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Thanks, flgirl543 - I'll see if I can find who all will be streaming it. (But mostly I'll be hoping Rumpole does it so I don't have to! )

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Thanks, FreeGZ!

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Gotcha' - thanks for explaining. I agree, any time we allow the government to get away with something, any time we as a society don't force them to adhere to the rule of law and due process, we give up our rights in some measure, maybe even tiny increments.

MOM briefly mentions the feds in the Malzberg interview FreeGZ posted. Of course, the "lean" discussion greatly overshadows it.

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Rumpole will be so pleased... Malzberg does a mini rant on people still saying GZ was told not to get out of the car.

Others will be pleased that MOM confirms TM™ liver damage. Malzberg even slaps Piers!

I hope there's a lot more of this to come.

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Excellent, excellent interview with Malzberg - MOM even opines that there will not be a civil suit. Poor Crump, after all of that time and $$... I hope he ends up in the hole financially big time on this farce of a persecution. I hope he loses his career. I hope the legal community publicly recognizes Crump for the joke and stain on the legal profession that he is.

I read recently that Crump may have helped bankroll the "Dream Defenders" as part of the PR campaign on this case. If anyone else did and remembers where, please post it. Otherwise, I'll try to find it later. Lots to do before 1:30!

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This is so ridiculous... at least some of these people making threats are getting arrested. I hope more get arrested and more exposure is given to those arrests, to discourage others.



Read more and see video at WFTV.

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So, I went to find a recent example of an arrest over Zimmerman threats, and apparently there have been several. The websearch had over 800,000 results with different listings of arrests over twitter and facebook postings. Yay! Again, I wish these arrests would be widely reported. It may slow down some of the idiots who think they can do this with impunity.

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I surely hope this comes to past and all that persecuted GZ end up disbarred and broke. If it does you will see many GZ supporters dancing in the streets......

Hi, LondoJowo! Yes, indeed!

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CNN via VictorBlackwell reporting:


BREAKING: Family helped out of crashed SUV by George #Zimmerman has CANCELLED today's news conference organized by attorney Mark Omara.