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liesel
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Oops, forgot to post MyFoxOrlando link for those interested in their lunch hour discussion.

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Refresher...

NastyJack had been posting tweets on child abuse for quite some time!
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Could the state get Nelson to change the wording in the instructions from "Child" to "Chile"?



Define
"Arbews of a black chile by a Creepy Ass-cracker"

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Attempted rape, perhaps actual sexual assault could be added?

Cue hysterical Cousin Christina (witness #9)

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guywitharod wrote:
So this case became a focus to me when I was studying journalism, and is one of the reasons that I changed majors. I cannot say that the fact this trial is even occurring has left me with any faith in the US Justice system. Even if there is an acquittal and severe civil suits against the media and the TM family/PR/attorneys the damage has been done.
When I graduate this December I believe that I will shift my job search focus north a few miles and check out Canada.

WB, guywitharod! How did your test go?

I suspect you'll be at least as frustrated in Canada... and hope you decide to try to help fix what's going on in the U.S. so that these political persecution don't happen.

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I'm late to the dance....so the state knows they flopped at 2nd degree murder and now want to add third degree, etc. Is that what happened this morning?
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guitarjeff wrote:
Could the state get Nelson to change the wording in the instructions from "Child" to "Chile"?

:Gslap

Hi, guitarjeff, good to cyber-see you! Any new compositions to share? (If not GZ related, please post in another appropriate thread.)

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Hi Taurus Yes.

Except as West pointed out... The weasel had 16? cases ready to cite... this is a TRICK the State have been planning to spring at last minute... something they have worked on for a long time.. perhaps the entire year

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FOX reporting about 50 protesters outside courthouse. Reporter was reading a flyer handed out by the church group. Stating George was judge and jury of Trayvon Martin. Also telling protesters not to protest in Sanford, but take the protests to the attractions (Disney, Universal etc.). Doesn't sound good...

I wonder if they're being paid and/or funded like the earlier protests? Did you see that post in the discussion thread?

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Nelson demurring to the felony third-degree murder while committing felony child abuse: "I have a problem with the intentional part: what is the intentional act?"

Mini-Me: "The gun shot is the act."

Um, doesn't murder (the unlawful killing) while committing a separate felony require a separate felony act? Otherwise, that's sort of tautological, isn't it?

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You're correct, as usual, felony murder requires felony separate from the act alleged to be murder. For example, a security guard is shot while a bank is being robbed. The robbery is the underlying felony, bumping the death to felony murder for all involved in committing the robbery.
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Can anyone cite a source showing "separate"? TIA


IMO, it's inherent in the wording of the statute:
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The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any [enumerated felony] is murder in the third degree and constitutes a felony of the second degree


The unlawful killing (i.e. the gun shot)... perpetuated without any design to effect death (not sure how that works, when a gun inherently represents deadly force)... by a person engaged in a felony.

It is plain from the reading: the act that caused the death had to take place while another, independent act was being committed.

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...during the commission of..., Mini-Me.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it, Beaker?

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Nelson denying Felony Third-Degree/Child Abuse charge!

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OMG NO 3rd Degree!!!
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kbp wrote:
Can anyone cite a source showing "separate"? TIA

My computer is already begging for a reboot and closing tabs/windows, but I will later if they don't cover it at the trial. If you think about it, if it didn't require a separate act then every murder would be felony murder. Felony murder is a capital offense.

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WOO HOO.... Nelson checked with her handlers during the break.... CHILD ABUSE - Murder3 is OUT :91

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BOO HOO for the state, they thought they pulled a fast one.
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I Betcha.... this silly Murder3 thing WAS a big part of the State persecution scheme......

BDLR will have written his close around it... he will now have to ad lib..... I predict his close will be a confused mess :lol

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