If I was on the jury, I'd be realizing how big and tall TM was rather than being a small child as depicted by the prosecution.

Judge Alex mentioned MOM's TV appearances. He said this time could've been used to depose Crump. Maybe he did those appearances on his dinner break or between other depositions. Maybe the defense needs to provide a timeline to the judge accounting for every minute of their time. Then she will tell them how long they can take for sleeping, eating, pooping.

Nothing has shown the partiality this judge shows to the prosecution more than her comment that the court will stay until finished tonight. She is guaranteeing that the last person the jury sees will be Mr. Martin's mother. I have never seen this done before.

Now that West is up, there may be something useful.

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4:24 p.m.
West asks about the swabs for the candy Skittles and the flashlight.

Gorgone confirms he never saw the bag or flashlight.

West asks about the sticks used for fingernail scrapings.

Gorgone says if he sees red/brown staining he tests for blood and saw it on the stick for the right hand.

It tested positive for blood and the DNA profile matched Martin.

Gorgone says he didn’t test for blood on the left hand because there was not staining. He did test if for DNA.

He says he’s more interested in foreign samples that might’ve scraped off in the fingernails of that individual.

Gorgone says he has no way of knowing when the blood came in contact with the hand.

No DNA on the left hand did not surprise him, Gorone says, adding that it is a very small area being collected from.

The absence of evidence isn’t significant, he confirms.

West asks if he ever say Martin’s fingernails.

Gorgone says no.

West asks why there is only one stick for each hand.

Gorgone says the one stick is used to scrape all five fingernails on one hand.

He says he’s never done that process.

4:15 p.m.
West questions him about the use of swabs from the firearm.

West asks him if he reports about why DNA is where it is. Gorgone says he analyzes the swabs.

He says moisture, heat and humidity environmental factors can degrade DNA which affects his ability to amplify the sample for testing.

A gun is a hard surface so touch DNA or skin cells will be on it, not soaked into it like can happen with a shirt, Gorgone explains.

The hard surface of a gun or pen is not good for retaining touch DNA, he says.

West asks about the results for the slide of the gun sample.

Gorgone says he could not match it to an individual.

“I wasn’t able to exclude them,” Gorgone says about the DNA sample on the slide of the gun.

West asks about the holster.

Gorgone says the major DNA profile match Zimmerman.

West asks about Gorgone not being able to exclude or include Martin from the holster.

“Their information is not represented enough,” Gorgone says about how he excludes someone.

West asks if the ability to conduct reliable analysis depends on the collection and packaging of the sample.

Gorgone says if an item is collected and not stored properly it could degrade DNA on the sample.

4:06 p.m.
The jury is reseated and Don West begins cross examination.

3:40 p.m.
De la Rionda shows the actual shirt worn. Gorgone points out the stains marked for testing.

Stain A – positive, single source profile matching Zimmerman

Stain B – same as above

Stain C – same as above

Stain D – same as above

Stain E – same as above

Stain F – same as above

Stain G – negative for blood

Stain H – negative for blood

Stain I – positive, single source profile matching Zimmerman

Stain J – same as above

Stain K – same as above

Stain L – same as above

Stain M – same as above

Stain N – same as above

Stain O – same as above

Stain P – same as above

De la Rionda finishes questioning.

Judge Nelson gives a 15 minute recess before cross examination by the defense.

3:34 p.m.
Stain V – positive, DNA results were too limited to match, but possible to exclude though could not exclude Martin or Zimerman

Stains W,X, and Y – negative

Stain Z – positive, results too limited.

Stain AA – negative

Stain BB – positive, mixture DNA, not resolved to major or minor profiles. Zimmerman included as contributor. Not able to exclude or include Martin.

The stain BB was on the back on the left should near the middle, almost below the neck, Gorgone says.

Stain CC – negative

Stain DD – negative

Stain EE – negative

De la Rionda asks about the shirt Zimmerman was wearing. Gorgone says he did the same kind of analysis on this shirt also.

He found 16 stains.

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The thing that should negate most of these "negative" results would be Mr. Good's testimony. He saw Mr. Martin hitting Mr. Zimmerman. Unless one can believe he missed hitting him every time, the lack of DNA means nothing.

Good ol' Bernie... takes badgering a witness to a whole new level!

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I just realized what has happened. Weasel sent out the wrong memo, instead of sending the memo that stated "Prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt", he sent out the memo that stated "Prove reasonable doubt beyond a reasonable doubt".......

Oh noes!!!!!! Mr Rumpole is lost in the Discussion Thread #7.

Thanks..... I am OK now... meds kicking in

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Like their "best evidence" kept changing.

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The wrong packaging of evidence will be handy for BGI... they can claim it was raciss cops who packaged evidence wrong and "robbed them" of a conviction.

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I wondered where you went and then I notice a new post in the other thread and realized you started posting in the other thread........

According to Traybots.....the Manslaughter of a Miah Chile automatically means manslaughter is automatically "aggravated" and so has same penalty as Murder 2

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Legally the order isn't final for 30 days. The DCA won't file mandate until then. However, as a general practice, most, if not everyone, act as if it's final once the opinion is released, unless some sort of challenge is made, such as a request to be heard en banc, meaning the entire court instead of a three judge panel, etc. Whomever lost at the DCA would inform the trial court and the other counsel that they're making whatever motion, etc. to preclude actions until their objection is heard. Blah blah. I think you get the idea. If not, please pm me and I'll try to explain it better. (Emphasis on "try" )

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Did they establish an specific date(s) that the defense could have deposed Crump?

...well, besides all offered before he refused the date he was to originally given it.

4:38 p.m.
West asks about wet evidence believed to contain biological material.

Gorgone says anything wet should be dried down because if it is packaged it could mold.

West asks if Gorgone was present when the sweatshirt was delivered to FDLE.

He says he only saw it when it was brought to him. It had already been opened and examined by the trace evidence section of the lab, Gorgone says.

He describes the outer container as a brown paper bag and inside that was a red plastic bag usually used for bio-hazardous material which was tied with a knot.

Gorgone says he detected an odor on the dark gray hooded sweatshirt. The light gray one did not have the same odor, meaning it was not as wet.

He says both items were still wet when he opened the package. The light gray one was damp and the dark gray one was more damp, wet, and had a “pungent” odor.

West asks if the clothing should have been air dried or at least packaged in paper.

Gorgone says ideally yes, they should be air dried before packaged and agencies are encourage to not use plastic bags.

The biological evidence is at a risk of damaged, Gorgone confirms.

4:30 p.m.
West asks if “fingernail left” or “fingernail right” means anything.

Gorgone says it’s just how whoever did it decided to type out the label.

West points out each location of the gun has a separate swab.

West asks about the hooded sweatshirt.

West asks if there was processing done on Martin’s pants. Gorgone says no.

West asks about the packaging of the sweatshirt.

He asks if Gorgone is familiar with NIST. Gorgone says NIST is a government organization that issues standards they are required to run annually or more on their instruments.

NIST is not part of the accreditation process, Gorgone says. They are accredited by an organization made of forensic lab directors that inspect the facility and interview personnel making sure they meet FBI standards. It takes place every 5 years and the last one was in 2010.

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