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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:21 pm 
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Anyone else having any concerns about West, he sometimes seems not to be in the moment.


I have thought that for a while. That judge seems to dislike him with the power of 1000 burning suns. I don't know if he is not in the moment as much as treading carefully.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:00 pm 
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Still not a single tweet from Bigboi since 13th June.

There could be MANY reasons for that… but Bigboi coming to her senses is well down the list.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:37 pm 
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Keep in mind jurors will be "lined up" by the order we met them in..and after Q'ing selected (by elimination) in same order. Except..

...Except that the Judge may keep LAST ten to side to insert into "cause" challenged seats from first 30--adding a lot to strategy for everyone


Thanks kbp. This is probably what will happen. The judge will have her way of handling vor dire. I've watched vor dire more than once and it seems to be a little different each time. I guess we will find out tomorrow.

I did hear on HLN the judge picks the alternates. Never heard that before.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:39 pm 
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For those who are interested Jeff W at the OS says their link will be live throughout the entire trial.


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seeing_eye wrote:
So Tracy says if a kid gets suspended from school, that doesn't make him a bad kid? Does it make him good?


That is so typical of this group. They say something and leave out the most important part of the equation.

A kid getting suspended from school may be just a mistake. A kid getting suspended 3 times in 6 months is a cry for help and definitely a sign that the child is on a downward spiral.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:07 am 
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I thought the Martins were done with pressers. Tracy is going to be on HLN Afterdark tomorrow night. Vinny says its going to change the way we think about this case.


Vinny is in a race for who is the biggest drama queen with Anderson Cooper. All they know how to do is exploit people in order to get ratings. It is beyond silly what both of them do.


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Could trespass be the 600 pound elephant unlawfully being somewhere it should not be?
Some discussion of that is here:
http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.c ... ment-12242


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Tafee owns his apartment but the grounds are probably considered common area of the condo.


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Usually for townhouses there is a land parcel designation and that is the lot and whatever structure that is situated thereon that is owned, not just the structure. Sidewalks and roads and right of ways are designated as easements, which would be common areas.


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Had not the property TM was "tresspassing" on been broken into previously? I'm not sure the law on tresspassing was violated, but it's obvious George was fairly certain the person was not the property owner he knew ...or why would he call to report it?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:29 am 
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/06/19/civil-rights-group-claims-dismissed-george-zimmerman-juror-jerry-counelis-was-defamed-we-provide-the-rest-of-the-story/#more-64706

Civil-rights group claims dismissed George Zimmerman juror, Jerry Counelis, was defamed – We Provide the “Rest of the story”….

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John Galt says:
June 19, 2013 at 6:25 am
Maybe being personally targeted by BGI will knock a little of the PC off of O’Mara.

Chip Bennett says:
June 19, 2013 at 7:52 am
It may be a little early yet, but what the heck: I’ll have some of whatever you’re having.

Crazy Jerry bringing a lawsuit against O’Mara could backfire spectacularly on Jerry himself, and could potentially open the door to discovery into the existence of jury tampering; but I don’t think such a frivolous lawsuit would phase O’Mara in the slightest.

My guess (Florida law?) is that whether or not O'Mara files a counter suit will tell us more about who he is. Without one, J Willie David III / Counelis controls when and if they'll quit playing the game.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:38 am 
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As Said at CTH.....

O'Mara should not have done the presser. He should have stayed in his car :)

Maybe the lesson to be learned from this case is that as a general rule people should stay in cars.

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http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zi ... ext-round/


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If this is about what happened in court, there is no cause of action against O'Mara. If Counelis files suit, it would have to be pro se, or some loser doing it for publicity. I cannot imagine it would survive a motion to dismiss. Both the judge, who actually gave out the info in public, and O'Mara enjoy a litigation immunity. The judge's is absolute under these circumstances.

If this is about a media appearance by O'Mara, I find it very unlikely he left himself open and again, such a suit would not survive.

Counelis clearly has no assets but a few guitars. There'd be no recovery, not even enough for costs. Using such a suit to find evidence of jury tampering seems not only late -- well after Zimmerman's trial is over -- but unlikely to be fruitful unless one believes loser Counelis would be part of a conspiracy and actually have useful info.

Seems to me that he just wants 15 more minutes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:28 pm 
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Willfull ignorance...

http://www.news-journalonline.com/artic ... ng-justice

People readily recognize the ludicrous nature of the claim that violence was necessary, that someone "had it coming to them." Yet stand your ground laws by definition turn this lack of self-control and inability to manage disagreement into a legal right to use lethal force. It's sanctioned murder.

I've never responded to an article before, but decided to send a brief email to this journalist (I use the term loosely). To my surprise, I received a reply. Below is my email and her response.

Dear Ms. Sanchez,

I just read your article "Redefining Self-Defense. I fail to understand why you chose to reference George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case. Apparently, you, like the rest of the media, have not read the evidence or facts in this case. Mr. O'Mara, Mr. Zimmerman's attorney, has stated numerous times, this is NOT a "Stand Your Ground" case. It is standard self defense. You state: "What the stand your ground laws do is broaden the right to kill without retreating, even when it is possible, to other places, such as a workplace or a car." You also fail to mention, Mr. Zimmerman had no chance to retreat since he was being straddled and assaulted by Mr. Martin (as attested to by at least two witnesses). I suggest you set a timer to 50 seconds and have someone straddle you and beat you about the head. How long would you wait to defend yourself? Keep in mind, you will have no idea how long the assault will continue. Despite a witness telling them to stop and he was calling the police, Mr. Martin continued the assault. Again, how long would you wait to defend yourself?


Thanks for taking the time to write.

The discussion is if Florida's Stand Your Ground law, the laws that if spawned nationally, influence behavior and beliefs. The evidence is that they do. The case simply makes that discussion more relevant.
Zimmerman has chosen at this point not to invoke Stand Your Ground, it's not completely off the table, however.

We do not know what happened that night. We will never know Trayvon's version. Let the case play out; the facts come forward.
Only a fool would assume to know what occurred for sure.
One thing that we do know, however, is that Zimmerman continued to follow, possibly confront Trayvon even after being ordered not to. That doesn't look good for someone who later wants to claim he was the victim. It also doesn't mean that as some point Trayvon didn't also pounce. Like I wrote, it will be largely a matter of who started it first.


I plan to respond with a link to MOM's web site explaining why this is not SYG. Also will link NEN call and State's response at bond hearing there is no proof George was not going back to his car when he was attacked. I also plan to link Richard Hornsby's blog regarding first aggressor. Any additional links anyone can add to help me address this person...TY


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flgirl543, your email was much more professional in every way than was the gossip monger who calls herself a writer. I suggest including the actual statutes and explaining how they apply. However, it's unlikely she will read any lengthy recitation of the facts, so as you did in your initial email, try to keep it as short as possible. Good luck!

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Or, maybe challenge her to a debate?

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Ms. Sanchez wrote:
Only a fool would assume to know what occurred for sure.

And:
Ms. Sanchez wrote:
One thing that we do know, however, is that Zimmerman continued to follow, possibly confront Trayvon even after being ordered not to.


Ms. Sanchez is clearly an idiot, whose best skill is slinging logical fallacy. I wouldn't waste your time on her.

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I understand your point, Chip, but the woman is spreading misinformation and I'm glad she was called out on it.

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