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John_Galt
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:36 pm 
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West knows exactly what BDLR has in mind. That is why West mentions "res gestae."

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Under the Federal Rules of Evidence, res gestae is an exception to the rule against hearsay evidence based on the belief that, because certain statements are made naturally, spontaneously, and without deliberation during the course of an event, they leave little room for misunderstanding/misinterpretation upon hearing by someone else (i.e., by the witness, who will later repeat the statement to the court) and thus the courts believe that such statements carry a high degree of credibility. Statements that can be admitted into evidence as res gestae fall into three headings:

Words or phrases that either form part of, or explain, a physical act,
Exclamations that are so spontaneous as to belie concoction, and
Statements that are evidence of someone's state of mind.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_gestae

I think the Florida Evidence Code and case law is similar.
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From the point of view of Scientific research and statistical analysis (as I have outlined before).

A prediction or hypothesis made before any knowledge (or collection of) results is more significant (in a statistical analysis sense) than say taking a known result and then crafting an explanation.

That is sort of what we have here.

George said he was screaming that is in effect an a priori hypothesis.. confirmed when a tape (not known to exist when GZ made the claim) revealed screaming.

What the prosecution are doing (in effect) is taking the tape of the scream and proposing an a posteriori hypothesis that it was TM.

Also known as "data Snooping" in the Science trade... frowned upon.

You can generally take any data and find "something" (I recall doing experimental design reports... using random numbers as "data" On rare occasions random numbers actually show some sort of result.. so data-snoopers beware)

That is a LOT less significant than predicting something specific and then finding that specific in data.



All that was a lengthy way of saying:
The mere fact that George talked about screaming BEFORE anybody knew about a tape that revealed screaming is powerful evidence in itself that George WAS screaming for help.. and that is he who can be heard on the tape.

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wooooooooooowhoooooooooo !!! Mark Eiglarsh is taking NatJack to task.

I LOVE IT !!!!! read it:

https://twitter.com/MarkEiglarsh
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I saw the NastyJack message... then the responses flow
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And unrepentant NastyJack....
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And of course NastyJack was all the while playing with the Twitter Sewer Dogs.

She really is just one of them.. her legal "status" is an anomaly


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John_Galt wrote:
In the absence of a court order regarding confidentiality of text messages, I question whether defense counsel's redaction of Trayvon's text messages to avoid further embarrassment to Scheme Team (such as by redacting Trayvon's method of smuggling weed on a bus) comports with Florida's Sunshine Laws, which generally provide that discovery information filed with the court is a public record in the absence of a court order providing for confidentiality.


What about Florida's Where-the-Sun-Don't-Shine Laws?
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Touché

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Boy the latest from defense really got to them, huh? Their phony narrative is now starting to crumble and now the truth be told. Damn TRUTH hurts. I know it. You know it. If you are on the other side of TRUTH you are gonna take a whoppin. After more than a year of one lie after another, one manipulation after another, and hiding discovery time and time again .... NOW they are crying Uncle. Let the prosecution go after George ... and then Katie ... bar the door and let the flood of info on Trayvon and Crump and Natalie, and Corey, and the State come falling down upon them. When you build everything on lies ... why the surprised look !!!
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MJW wrote:
What about Florida's Where-the-Sun-Don't-Shine Laws?


:lol Good one.
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I'm surprised that Nasty didn't roll out with, "I can't be racist. I'm black."
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I was just about to quote you from CTH....

John Galt says:
May 27, 2013 at 7:43 pm

Put your beverage down before you read this one:


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NatJackson is pathetic. She has a link to Leatherman's blog on her Facebook page...is that the best she can do for support? And her mother chimes in with this comment:

Francis Oliver... Natalie I am a second grade teacher, and that is to much for me to read an comprehend, so I think it means Mark O'Mara is lying and don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. when will this stop? Do we have to listen to this kind of stuff all during the trial?
50 minutes ago

https://www.facebook.com/natalie.jackso ... ts&fref=ts

Poor Francis can't comprehend Leatherman's blog...LOL. In answer to her question...I hope you and everyone else involved with the scheme team will hear what's been placed in discovery in the last few days and much, much more.
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IMPRINTING

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Francis Oliver... Natalie I am a second grade teacher


That is a huge problem.
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ftsk420 wrote:
I just created a twitter account it's now time to have some fun with these fools. They have never dealt with someone like me.


Are you under the ftsk420 handle? I will follow. :D
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Francis Oliver... Natalie I am a second grade teacher

John_Galt wrote:

That is a huge problem.


Yes..... there's ya problem!

parents and/or teachers.....Indoctrination/imprinting of dopey notions from an early age...

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Anybody got a suggestion on WHAT in tomorrows hearing might be the main issue?

What we should open a "book" on.... start a POLL?

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The Lady doth protest too much... me thinks :cool


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