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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:48 pm 
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The date handwriting looks different too.

I think a document analyst could have a field day with that letter. I have seen just some of the discussion around. The last short sentence looks like it was added as an after thought.. may somebody suggested that as an ending. The large "thank you" is strange.. etc


On top of all that... the content is not the same as previous versions.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:55 pm 
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I agree the thank you does stick out. Someone with the right program could figure out a lot with that pic like if possibly something is behind it or if something was erased.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:57 pm 
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Here is what our buddy Diwataman has to say about the letter:
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/03/ ... ee-letter/

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Of course the first thing that struck me was that this girl who has supposedly known Trayvon since kindergarten, talked to him daily and was “getting close” with Trayvon not once but twice spelled his name wrong. How in the hell is that possible?

The next thing that’s odd is the date and Bernie says she wrote it before giving the statement which we know was on that same day. Now we know that DeeDee knew that Sybrina was listening in on the interview, this she says is why she lied about going to the hospital but the question is why keep the letter muchless give it to Sybrina which was obviously sometime after the interview?(edit- correction/clarification. Bernie states “See attached letter Witness 8 gave…Sybrina…prior to the recorded telephone call with…Crump.” How could that be? See comment http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/03/ ... mment-7693 -end edit.) It doesn’t make any sense. She just told her story and sometime later she feels compelled to give Sybrina this letter?

Why is it dated, signed, yet not addressed in the traditional form of “Sybrina” or “Trevons mom”, “Dear Ms. Fulton” whatever, you get the point.

Why is it so short? Why does it only address a few points? Remember this is a girl that supposedly no one really knows, wouldn’t she be a bit more descriptive as to who she is? Her relationship to Trayvon? Anything of that nature? “Hi, I’m DeeDee, you might remember me…” That sort of thing. No, just boom, straight to the point with a “Thank you”? WTF?

“In my mind I thought it was just a fight. Then I found out this tragic story.”

Let’s deal with that first part; “In my mind I thought it was just a fight.” Is this supposed to be the reason why she did nothing to see if Trayvon was okay? Oh wait, I’m sorry, she did do something, she called back and sent a text, wow. So the question remains, why didn’t she do anything to see if Trayvon was okay?

“Then I found out this tragic story.” What an odd statement. She found out this tragic story? I thought she knew the story, I guess if it was George the one dead on the ground it would not have been a “tragic story”. But then what? What does this mean; “In my mind I thought it was just a fight. Then I found out this tragic story.” And then boom, the end? HUH? It just ends? How about “In my mind I thought it was just a fight. Then I found out this tragic story so I went to McDonalds then went and got my nails done”, seems fitting for this girls behavior of again not doing anything.

So what’s the point? The girl is full of shit, that’s the point. No one would do nothing as this girl has in this type of situation that she describes. The only thing that explains her behavior is that she heard something other than what she says she heard. More than likely that she knew Trayvon was going to go fight and probably even encouraged it.

Why no apology in the letter? “I got guilt”-DeeDee April 2, 2012

[EDIT 3:00am 3/29/2013]

Just adding some more thoughts up here from the comment section,

For some reason Bernie describes this as a “letter” DeeDee wrote which she gave to Sybrina. But it is clearly not a letter. Rather it is a “formal statement” as to what she heard, that is why it is short and to the point.

Also by saying she gave it to Sybrina gives the impression that it was for Sybrina, I don’t think it was for Sybrina, hence no addressee. I think it was a statement Crump told her to write and give to Sybrina to give to him.

DeeDee probably thought that’s all she had to do but somehow after giving that statement to Sybrina DeeDee ends up giving a recorded statement. Now trying to work out how all that happened in one day, a Monday by the way, and get ABC set up somewhere then go do a telephone interview and all seems impossible.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:27 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
The date handwriting looks different too.

I think a document analyst could have a field day with that letter. I have seen just some of the discussion around. The last short sentence looks like it was added as a after thought.. may somebody suggested that as an ending. The large "thank you" is strange.. etc


On top of all that... the content is not the same as previous versions.


I am of the opinion that who ever wrote the date wrote the body of the letter. There is a little "hook" in the M for March. The same little hook is there for the M in mind(in my mind)

Said the same over at D-man's site.

TO ME, it feels like the date is late add-on designed to coincide with all of the activities that were going on in regards to March 19th. I thought it was to bolster Crump's credibilty for truthfulness but Bori disagreed since the letter doesn't totally support Crump's narrative. On 3/20, the presser that Crump gave he mentions apartments

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Martin, who was in town from Miami to visit his father in Sanford, told the girl on his way back from the store he’d taken shelter the rain briefly at an apartment building in his father’s gated community, Crump said. Martin then told the girl he was being followed and would try to lose the person, Crump said.


I am still looking for a "2-3 story apartments" part...I know I read it. Just don't remember where. I think he may have married the apartments close by with The Retreat. Intentionally or not.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:34 pm 
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I think the timeline puts things in perspective. Sybrina filed applications to federally register trademarks for use in interstate commerce on 3/21, very shortly after the 3/19 interview of W8. Those trademarks were filed listing Sybrina as owner and she is still listed as owner. No assignments of the trademarks have been recorded with the USPTO.

I think Sybrina was taking care of business in more ways than one.


Why are the trademarks owned by Sybrina and not by one of the foundations? To provide a mechanism to transfer money to Sybrina as compensation for a trademark license?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:42 pm 
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Searching Compression Signatures: (3347 built-in, 0 user(*) )

EXIF.Make / Software EXIF.Model Quality Subsamp Match?
------------------------- ----------------------------------- ---------------- --------------
SW :[IJG Library ] [042 ]

The following IJG-based editors also match this signature:
SW :[GIMP ] [042 ]
SW :[IrfanView ] [042 ]
SW :[idImager ] [042 ]
SW :[FastStone Image Viewer ] [042 ]
SW :[NeatImage ] [042 ]
SW :[Paint.NET ] [042 ]
SW :[Photomatix ] [042 ]
SW :[XnView ] [042 ]

That is what comes up when I run the letter through the program.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:48 pm 
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Does it make any difference that the image was scanned.. and probably copied, reformatted etc along the way. The image posted here is from my photo bucket... but I uploaded from a copy already posted on the net etc.

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John_Galt wrote:
I think the timeline puts things in perspective. Sybrina filed applications to federally register trademarks for use in interstate commerce on 3/21, very shortly after the 3/19 interview of W8. Those trademarks were filed listing Sybrina as owner and she is still listed as owner. No assignments of the trademarks have been recorded with the USPTO.

I think Sybrina was taking care of business in more ways than one.


Why are the trademarks owned by Sybrina and not by one of the foundations? To provide a mechanism to transfer money to Sybrina as compensation for a trademark license?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:07 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
Does it make any difference that the image was scanned.. and probably copied, reformatted etc along the way. The image posted here is from my photo bucket... but I uploaded from a copy already posted on the net etc.


Is this the same letter that Sundance has posted on CTH?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:14 pm 
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Yes but I did not upload that one.. it seemed smaller and less sharp. I used one from Dman site.

As I said these things go around the interwebs... there is a chance they are altered in format etc.

It is just a jpeg.. so chances are its same now.. but who knows?

It WAS in a pdf so it is most likely a "screen capture" of the pdf viewed on a computer screen.

It is NOT the original scan (or photo) of the document.

In the same way the pics of George's head were NOT the original photos taken of his head.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:18 pm 
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Both letters show the same thing except the one you posted lists some cameras with it. Resizing and copying it makes no difference.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:22 pm 
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So DD gives this letter to SF prior to Crump's audio interview. SF was present with Crump, DD was in another location. This letter contains DD's name (which is now redacted), so did SF not share this letter with Crump since he claims he didn't know DD's name? Also, am I mistaken, but didn't DD claim she lied about going to the hospital because SF was sitting with her? Was this only during BDLR's interview? Then why lie about it during the Crump interview, which took place first? This letter only raises more questions...I hope MOM got some answers.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:29 pm 
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Here is Copy I just did.. large as possible on screen....screenshot

1. Saved as Jpeg
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2. Saved as bitmap
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:34 pm 
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First letter posted has this in it now

CAM:[SONY ] [CYBERSHOT U ] [ ] Yes
SW :[Adobe Photoshop 7.0 ] [Save As 07 ]
SW :[Apple Quicktime ] [0466-0467 ]
SW :[Digital Photo Professiona] [05 ]
SW :[IJG Library ] [075 ]
SW :[MS Paint ] [ ]
SW :[MS Visio ] [ ]
SW :[ZoomBrowser EX ] [low ]

The following IJG-based editors also match this signature:
SW :[GIMP ] [075 ]
SW :[IrfanView ] [075 ]
SW :[idImager ] [075 ]
SW :[FastStone Image Viewer ] [075 ]
SW :[NeatImage ] [075 ]
SW :[Paint.NET ] [075 ]
SW :[Photomatix ] [075 ]
SW :[XnView

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:35 pm 
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Only problem with this program it doesn't work on bitmap images only works with jpg.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:43 pm 
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Wouldn't things in this letter be hearsay like the part with the other complex

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:45 pm 
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FWIW
Will playing with letter in pdf viewer.. I tried "select all" on that page.

All it selected were 5 lock areas??

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That's strange I have no idea why it only selected those 5 spots. The same editing software comes up there are a few other codes within it.

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I don't think it is too sinister.. on other pages it highlights what is clearly typed text.. misses ot signature... so I think it is TRYING to auto detect typed text.. but stuffed up with those few blocks :)


But...
I do think detailed analysis can only be done properly on the original document itself.. or at the very least a first generation photo of it.

MOM would need a document expert to inspect the document... not sure he has time for that.

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Now after looking into it some more it seems the margin is too much and too many lines on the page.

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