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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:49 pm 
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Polls coming thick and fast .....

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The Sun - Election Live Blog
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10248694/ ... s-johnson/

I see "The Sun" choosing to reference a poll earlier that showed a lower Con lead than most others :roll
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A new poll reveals Boris Johnson's Conservatives are only eight points ahead of Labour.
The ORB International Survey for the Sunday telegraph puts the Tories on 36 per cent – with Labour on 28.


NOT one of the regular poll companies (last poll was in April).. and a bit of an "outlier"... but suits the Sun's agenda :doh


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And... More polls....

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Early days.. things may well change, but today....
It is looking like a typical 2 main parties, FPTP election prediction.
Voters are retreating to their TRADITIONAL party. Labour or Tory... the workers V the toffs..... Lower class V Middle class :doh

As I often point out.... "The people get the government they deserve"
In this case UK people look like getting a BINO.. or maybe even no Brexit at all (preferable)
They might even get a Corbyn Government.... Marxist Clown World :roll

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Boris is betraying voters who want to leave EU. I understand why he had to appear to be negotiating a "deal", but sticking to that now BETRAYS a large part of the LEAVE voter block. I concede it may be attractive to some. Politics is always a balancing act. However, there is plenty of analysis of "The deal" online which shows that it is far from the "Brexit" that many wanted (are expecting still). In fact it is NOT BREXIT.. certainly not for 3 years transition, and not even after that. What is particularly galling to me is the ERG (Tory Spartans) have shown their true colors, in backing a "deal" (similar to May's deal) that they vowed to never accept! A Tory Betrayal too far! Oh well... it's politics... no point in Brexit voters voting "tactically" they will NOT "split the Brexit vote" since a vote for Tory is NOT a Brexit vote.

REALISTICALLY... It will be difficult for Farage's party to win seats in a FPTP election. Anecdotally I see a LOT of people who will vote BXP, but of course that needs to be focused on individual electorates to win seats. However, Corbyn will NOT deliver Brexit... and it seems that neither will Boris, so the best Levers can hope for is a few BXP MPs in Parliament with some shred of influence over things

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At least it makes voting advice simple. VOTE BREXIT PARTY.
Forget about "tactical voting" you will not "split the Brexit vote" because a vote for Boris Deal is not Brexit. In fact it might be better to have a Corbyn Government because he plans to negotiate new deal, get a vote in Parliament, plan out another Referendum, then he still has to implement THAT referendum, and we have seen Government take YEARS to enact a Referendum :) So a Corbyn Government will keep Brexit ticking over for months (YEARS), where as Boris will trigger his BINO and we are stuffed.

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!!NEWSFLASH!!

Nigel Farage appeared on BBC The Andrew Marr Show....

Nigel Farage NOT standing in an electorate himself

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We have all seen the "limitations" of polls, but I think most try to be accurate. Keep in mind that a poll % for a Party nationwide is at best only an indicator of actual result in individual electorates. For instance SNP show only 3%, but they gain 48 seats or more because all the people who make up the 3% over the entire country are concentrated in just 59 Scottish electorates.

VOTE BREXIT PARTY. Boris deal is NOT Brexit (not even close... it is a form of REMAIN)
Boris lies have gone way beyond misspeak or the usual Political "hyperbole", and the ERG have taken off the mask and now support a deal they said they would NEVER SUPPORT (Spartans.. my arse)
A Corbyn Government is BETTER than Boris deal. At least Brexit negotiations would stay active for months (years) under a Labour Government (New deal, referendum, enactment).

UK PAYING 39 Billion (and much more to come) at EU divorce is NUTS
UK has been a contributor to funding (25%?) of EU for 40 years, and so if anything they should be COMPENSATED (paid money) for the infrastructure they have funded for 40 years. Kinda like when a couple divorce.. they divide the house, furniture, bank account, and other assets.

VOTE LABOUR if you are not going to vote BXP.
Boris government and his Treaty will kill Brexit for at least 3 years... probably for ever.
Corbyn will be a DISASTER.. but Brexit will still be alive... in fact he plans to spend months (years) continuing to negotiate it, run another referendum, implement that deal (maybe)... then he has to Run a Sottish independence referendum. He will be too busy to pick your pocket.. and unable to NATIONALISE anything while still in EU.


I DO NOT blame Boris for "not taking us out" (with his deal). I NEVER though he should pass the deal. I was hoping that he was Bluffing (Lying as he does), pretending to be going for a deal, while maneuvering to a "Clean Break". Seems he started to actually believe his own propaganda (that always ends in tears). He had a LUCKY ESCAPE when remoaners and Letwins and Bercows etc managed to stop him!! NOW he needs to GET REAL and run on Clean break, but I fear he does NOT WANT BREXIT at all.. he wants a new EU treaty. He is a snake (and so are his pretend Spartans)

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The Brexit Party General Election Tour

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2019 United Kingdom general election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Unit ... l_election

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DO NOT SPLIT THE BREXIT VOTE - GIVE IT ALL TO THE BREXIT PARTY


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Listening to TV and radio hosts, pundits, public callers...

And they ALL Stubbornly refuse to even CONSIDER the point that Boris deal is NOT BREXIT
They stubbornly make the silly point that voting for the Brexit Party might stop Brexit.. when the opposite is true.
IF Boris wins and simply "heats up" his "oven-ready" deal... that it's the END of Brexit. We stay bound to EU in almost every way we are now..for 3 years and beyond... while the EU negotiators again run rough shod over UK.

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Nigel Farage rages at 'arrogant' Boris Johnson for snubbing election pact as he unveils 600 would-be Brexit Party MPs and warns the Tories have just 10 days to back down or face a fight for the Eurosceptic vote

  • Nigel Farage ramped up rhetoric as he unveiled 600 would-be Brexit Party MPs in central London
  • He lambasted 'arrogant' Boris Johnson for snubbing offer of an election alliance that could help the Tories
  • Mr Farage mocked Tory 'Spartans' for falling into line with Boris Johnson's deal after fighting Theresa May
  • He claimed his party can hold the balance of power in a Parliament by taking votes from both main parties


By James Tapsfield, Political Editor For Mailonline and David Wilcock, Whitehall Correspondent For Mailonline
Published: 01:24 AEDT, 5 November 2019 | Updated: 04:33 AEDT, 5 November 2019

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... aunch.html


The official list is set to be announced from 2pm on November 4, 2019.
( I cant find no list of names.. I suspect we want know until registration with electoral commission 14th Nov)

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I see what media types are doing... the old "3 wise monkeys" trick! There is PLENTY of evidence online, analysis that confirms that Boris Deal is not Brexit (not at all), yet when that is stated, media hosts, pundits, Tory apologists etc do not even TRY to refute it (or look at it).. they stick their fingers in their ears, cover their eyes and just continue speaking about "splitting the Brexit vote". It is The Tories, if anybody that "split the brexit vote"... actually they are trying to STEAL THE BREXIT VOTE! They are not offering Brexit at all.. but are trying to con Brexit voters into voting for them!

It is CRAZY for UK to be agreeing to a "divorce payment" of 39 billion.. and more ongoing??
UK have been funding EU for 40 years.. maybe as much as 25% of the cost. If anything UK is OWED compensation for it's contributions for 40 years.. certainly a share of the infrastructure that has been built up

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Putting BREXIT aside....

I have been voting in National elections, local elections, referenda etc for 50 years :roll
I KNOW how "important" elections are... They achieves very little, regardless of of the person or Party you vote for.
Best result is they do as little damage as possible, do not make things too much worse, and it costs individual voters (taxpayers) as little as possible.

My advice is vote for the person/Party promising the least. Vowing to spend the least money.
If they actually do what they say (rare), you end up paying for all the stuff they promise, and see nothing for it.

That may not narrow it down in the UK general election because they are all promising to spend, spend, spend.. and also flush a pile of dosh down the "Climate Crisis" toilet! DOH!


"All is not lost"... but we are getting very close... SAD!
A Corbyn/Labour government is THE worst outcome of the Election.
Boris be like.... "hold my beer, my "deal" makes a Tory government WORSE than a Corbyn government"

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UK DIED 29th March, 2019. People accepted 2 and half years of humiliation, and then a total betrayal.. and did NOTHING (Mostly) The Government saw that the people would put up with anything.

BORIS DEAL IS NOT BREXIT. While the Tories are running on that deal they are a REMAIN PARTY
DO NOT SPLIT THE BREXIT VOTE - GIVE IT ALL TO THE BREXIT PARTY

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UK SHOULD HAVE LEFT EU 29th MARCH, 2019

UK is suffering from "Battered Partner Syndrome"
The EU is an Abusive partner, that the UK is clinging on to, to their own detriment. Going through "counseling", hoping for a miraculous reconciliation..."a deal".

UK needs to RUN LIKE HELL - LEAVE THE EU

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BORIS is fibbing again. He knows he does not have a deal to get out of EU at all. He has a "deal" to REMAIN in EU mostly, and a transition period of 3 years (likely more), even at the end of which UK is STILL entangled with compliance (and financial liability) to EU. It is NUTS to agree to a "divorce payment" even if UK were out of the relationship. UK has funded EU (25% or so) for 40 years and so is entitled to RECEIVE a "divorce settlement" in compensation for EU infrastructure etc that UK has funded for 40 years.

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Nigel Farage speaks at Brexit party event in Carlisle – watch live
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Farage events are a bit like Mini Trump Rallies...
.... not a BIG of course.. but same sort of anticipation and excitement.. and there seems to one every day (day off tomorrow though)

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Richard Tice announces his Constituency - Hartlepool

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Hartlepool 70% LEAVE in the referendum....
2017 election - Labour 53% over Tory 34% seat, (UKIP got 11.5%)
After the Brexit betrayal... who knows?

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Welsh Assembly stuff... but indicative of UKIP continuing collapse....

UKIP down to one AM, as Gareth Bennett quits the party

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UKIP now has just one member of the Welsh Assembly, after its former group leader Gareth Bennett quit the party.

The party saw seven members elected to the Senedd in 2016, but ex-Tory MP Neil Hamilton is now the last one left.

Mr Bennett will sit as an independent and back Boris Johnson's Brexit deal, claiming the UK will not leave the EU if the Tories lose the election.

A UKIP spokesman said: "Members have come and gone and this is no different."

UKIP has struggled since helping to secure a leave vote in the 2016 EU referendum, a few weeks after the party won its first assembly seats.
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Accusing the Brexit Party and UKIP of "effectively trying to sabotage Brexit" by opposing the deal, Mr Bennett said he had made the decision to resign from UKIP with immediate effect, in order to sit as an independent AM.

Four former UKIP AMs - Mark Reckless, Mandy Jones, Caroline Jones and David Rowlands - joined Mr Farage's Brexit Party in May, with three of them having already left UKIP to sit as independents.

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A TORY win is very likely. It is FRUSTRATING to see politicians and their media poodles continue to state as a FACT that Boris deal is Brexit. Their is plenty to dispute that online, but I am sure your average voter will believe that once Boris deal is done, on 31st January, then that means Brexit is done.. over.

I am HOPING for a miracle, but even if BXP attract millions of votes.. in an individual electorate, under FPTP, they will struggle to win a plurality of say 35% or more...
I really can not see BXP even getting a group in Parliament who can be required in some coalition (like DUP was) and so be able to alter/stop Boris deal. And... even if there was such a "shaky coalition".. it could not push a Clean Break through the rest of Remain Parliamnt, any more than May or Boris could. Besides we all know that May and Boris are NOT TRYING to get Brexit. They want a BRINO.

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