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George Zimmerman’s relevant past

By Jonathan Capehart, Published: May 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm

When George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin the night of Feb. 26, 2012, he ignored an admonition not to do so from the police dispatcher. The request for his arrest, written by the lead detective, noted that Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon could have been avoided if he’d remained in his vehicle or identified himself “as a concerned citizen.” Just what in Zimmerman’s past might have led him to take these actions and kill an unarmed teenager with a gunshot to the chest is relevant in this case.

What is not relevant is Trayvon’s past. And Judge Debra Nelson made that clear today .........

bbm

....more at link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... vant-past/

Author:	John_Galt [ Wed May 29, 2013 6:38 pm ]
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Truthiness wrote: I think the article discussed him retrieving both "pictures" and "deleted text messages", so that "deleted" is not a verb in that context. Yes, that may be correct and would make a big difference. The IT director would have no exposure at all if he were merely "retrieving" at Bernie's direction and never "deleting" anything.

Author:	Rumpole [ Wed May 29, 2013 6:40 pm ]
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Rumpole wrote: BDLR will say things like "Mr Zimmerman was told to stay in his truck" "Trayvon was on his way home with candy for his little brother" etc chipbennett wrote: I was unaware that the State could state outright incorrect assertions, even in opening statements? If the State attempts to state that Zimmerman "was told to stay in his truck", I would hope that the defense would immediately object. And even if over-ruled, the defense will make the State look like the lying ilk they are, simply by playing the NEN recording. I watched the Anthony case... and frankly it seems to me that opening and closing statements can contain a LOT of incorrect assertions. In hearings on this case I have heard BDLR say "Zimmerman got out of his truck when told not to" Like I say MOM may object... but you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube once the Jury hear it.

Author:	John_Galt [ Wed May 29, 2013 6:46 pm ]
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Here is something else to consider: The whistleblower act, 112.3187(6) provides to whom an employee has to reveal information to be protected under the act. Note that O'Mara - West are not included in the list. Disclosure has to be made to a government agency or entity with authority to investigate, etc. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... .3187.html

Author:	WrongonRed [ Wed May 29, 2013 7:12 pm ]
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I could be wrong, but even as an attorney and member of the Bar, his ethical obligation would not stop with MOM and West would it? Wouldn't White be required to report such ethical lapses to the State Disciplinary Counsel as well?

Author:	Joni [ Wed May 29, 2013 7:26 pm ]
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Yes Rump, you can't un-ring the bell once it has rung. Why are lawyers allowed to say ANYTHING that just pops in their little heads to help their case during their "Opening" ... without having to prove it somehow during their case?? What kind of idiotic rule is that? I remember Baez said anything he wanted during his "Opening". All kinds of lies. They say "This is the best system we have..." but I think it sure could use some tweeking. Wish we could work on that - make changes, make things better.

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Author:	mung [ Wed May 29, 2013 7:39 pm ]
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Here is a thought and it may be a little too hopeful that something like this would really happen, but.... Let us say that the FDLE is investigating this (and maybe even some federal agency) and let us say that Judge "Fudge" Nelson plays her usual game and says that it doesn't matter that these violations happened. Then let us say that the investigating agencies file charges against BDLR and or Corey. How would the DCA deal with Judge Fudge after that? I can't imagine she would look very good in her profession if she ignores this and charges end up being filed.

Author:	chipbennett [ Wed May 29, 2013 7:42 pm ]
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Joni wrote: Yes Rump, you can't un-ring the bell once it has rung. Why are lawyers allowed to say ANYTHING that just pops in their little heads to help their case during their "Opening" ... without having to prove it somehow during their case?? What kind of idiotic rule is that? I remember Baez said anything he wanted during his "Opening". All kinds of lies. They say "This is the best system we have..." but I think it sure could use some tweeking. Wish we could work on that - make changes, make things better. Actually, that particular bell is quite easily un-rung: simply by playing the NEN recording. The jurors will hear the NEN operator twice tell Zimmerman to let him know what Martin is doing and to keep an eye on him. The jurors will hear the NEN operator say, "Are you following him? We don't need you to do that". And the jurors will hear Zimmerman reply, "Okay." The jurors will also hear the NEN operator never tell Zimmerman to "stay in his truck".

Author:	John_Galt [ Wed May 29, 2013 7:46 pm ]
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mung wrote: Let us say that the FDLE is investigating this If that thought occurs to Nelson, I think she would come correct real quick. MOM: To whom did you report this information? IT Guy: To my attorney, Mr. White. MOM: To anyone else? IT guy: To FDLE Nelson:

Author:	John_Galt [ Wed May 29, 2013 7:49 pm ]
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WrongonRed wrote: I could be wrong, but even as an attorney and member of the Bar, his ethical obligation would not stop with MOM and West would it? Wouldn't White be required to report such ethical lapses to the State Disciplinary Counsel as well? Theoretically. If BDLR gets sanctioned, he is supposed to self-report.

Author:	Joni [ Wed May 29, 2013 7:58 pm ]
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OK Chip. That might work!! Thanks.

Author:	murderbythebook [ Wed May 29, 2013 8:24 pm ]
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Rumpole wrote: Did Corey lose weight?

Author:	Rumpole [ Wed May 29, 2013 8:37 pm ]
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George Zimmerman’s relevant past By Jonathan Capehart, Published: May 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm When George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin the night of Feb. 26, 2012, he ignored an admonition not to do so from the police dispatcher. The request for his arrest, written by the lead detective, noted that Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon could have been avoided if he’d remained in his vehicle or identified himself “as a concerned citizen.” Just what in Zimmerman’s past might have led him to take these actions and kill an unarmed teenager with a gunshot to the chest is relevant in this case. What is not relevant is Trayvon’s past. And Judge Debra Nelson made that clear today ......... bbm ....more at link http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... vant-past/

Author:	JB from SoCal [ Wed May 29, 2013 8:48 pm ]
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http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDo ... 2CF001083A Under "Detailed Information" for GZ case, 4th item down reads: 05/28/2013 SUDI DEFENDANT'S 4TH SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY [not yet posted @GZ Legal. tick, tick, tick . . .]

Author:	Analyst [ Wed May 29, 2013 8:49 pm ]
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Rumpole wrote: By Jonathan Capehart, Published: May 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm -snip- ...noted that Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon could have been avoided if he’d remained in his truck... I guess someone can provide a list of crimes that can't be avoided? Am I missing something? Seriously. Good grief that quote pisses me off to no end. Idiots...

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Author:	Rumpole [ Wed May 29, 2013 8:52 pm ]
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Yes... IMPRINTING is strong in the Trayvon Zone

Author:	Rumpole [ Wed May 29, 2013 8:53 pm ]
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JB from SoCal wrote: http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001083A Under "Detailed Information" for GZ case, 4th item down reads: 05/28/2013 SUDI DEFENDANT'S 4TH SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY [not yet posted @GZ Legal. tick, tick, tick . . .] Thanks for that... at least we know it's coming... as you say tick, tick, tick . . .

Author:	Analyst [ Wed May 29, 2013 9:10 pm ]
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To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from 'Training Day': The defense is playing chess, the prosecution is playing checkers.

Author:	Rumpole [ Wed May 29, 2013 9:25 pm ]
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I have recently coined the expression: "I am playing mental chess, but you are playing marbles.... through a hole in your pocket"

Author:	mung [ Wed May 29, 2013 9:46 pm ]
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Pocket pool.

Author:	JB from SoCal [ Wed May 29, 2013 9:57 pm ]
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Analyst wrote: To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from 'Training Day': The defense is playing chess, the prosecution is playing checkers. And we're finding that these Shmendricks are still trying to figure out checkers, right, my friend?