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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:54 pm 
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Sorry Joni, but those look like bad wounds to me. On an arm or leg, maybe not such a big deal, but on your head!? Personally, I don't think anything is as dangerous or frightening as a head injury! And this is AFTER he was cleaned up?? Yikes!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:59 pm 
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I don't want to argue any more about GZ's injuries.

We can all see what they are and read how people described them at the time and just after.

They are consistent with GZ having been severely beaten and seriously injured. They will be presented to the jury as that. (If this incident gets to trial)

If people regard them as "minor" so be it. (I think they are being dishonest)
They are injuries never-the-less..... obviously caused by TM attacking GZ.

But....that STILL would not prevent GZ from defending himself. The law does not require you wait until your injuries are sufficient to appease a lynch mob hell bent on convicting you of murder.

NO INJURIES is still sufficient if you feel your life is threatened.

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“Ground and Pound”….
Posted on July 4, 2012 by sundancecracker

Witness “John” said he saw the guy with the dark hoodie on top of the guy wearing red. The guy wearing red was crying for help, the Hoodie wearing guy was beating him MMA style “ground and pound“….



http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... and-pound/

An example of "Ground and Pound
....a look at the best example of ground n' pound (strikes landed on a grounded opponent; mainly with fists)

Note... it takes but seconds to seriously damage an opponent
Note also the use of ELBOWS which would probably not leave signs on the attacker.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:37 pm 
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New Bond set at $1,000,000


George Zimmerman Legal Defence Site.

http://gzlegalcase.com/

Includes a link to donate to the Defence Fund
http://www.gzdefensefund.com/


I think George needs some more money... :43

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:19 pm 
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Why Zimmerman will NOT got to prison! Defense has STRONG CASE! Self defense is very possible!


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I am so happy he got out today. There I can say it out loud. :52


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:42 pm 
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YES!!

Very happy for him gaining his DESERVED freedom, but.......

There is a school of thought that maybe he should have stayed put... appealed.. at least the level of bail

As it is the $100K goes to Bondsman.... so it's money lost to GZ defence... actually ultimately Money that Florida tax payers may well have to make up?

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I know but it was almost worth 100,000 to see him walking out the door today! Heres what i was like when he walked out... :98 :21


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Yes this case has become a grudge match... Thinkers V Wilfully Ignorant :31

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Maltese Mama wrote:
Sorry Joni, but those look like bad wounds to me. On an arm or leg, maybe not such a big deal, but on your head!? Personally, I don't think anything is as dangerous or frightening as a head injury! And this is AFTER he was cleaned up?? Yikes!

Head injuries do not have to show anything on the outside to be serious...or even fatal. These things happen very often.


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The "Denial" of evidence continues in this case.

Clearly GZ sustained injuries... they were seen, and even photographed minutes after the event.

They are what they are.. quite clearly... photographed, reported on... and later examined more closely by medical staff.

Anecdotes by people who CLAIM to have suffered worse are irrelevant.. and I suggest made up and imagined mostly.

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A general point.

It is often said “Everyone is entitled to their opinion”… true I suppose, but…..

REALITY is not a multiple choice question. There is only ONE correct version of it…

Opinions that are at odds with reality are in fact WRONG.

We do all have ‘opinions” but the rational way to behave is to modify, or even abandon those opinions when they are in disagreement with reality (evidence).

The reverse is to cling on to “opinions” and deny evidence (reality)…..

There is a term for that……. DELUSION

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Rumpole wrote:
“Ground and Pound”….
Posted on July 4, 2012 by sundancecracker

Witness “John” said he saw the guy with the dark hoodie on top of the guy wearing red. The guy wearing red was crying for help, the Hoodie wearing guy was beating him MMA style “ground and pound“….



http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... and-pound/

An example of "Ground and Pound
....a look at the best example of ground n' pound (strikes landed on a grounded opponent; mainly with fists)

Note... it takes but seconds to seriously damage an opponent
Note also the use of ELBOWS which would probably not leave signs on the attacker.

If a witness saw Trayvon throwing down blows MMA style such as shown in this video, then I don't think anyone can ever say that the "child" Martin was unarmed.


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I am wondering WHY Lester has stated in BOTH Bond rulings that the evidence against GZ is strong? What evidence? The prosecution has NOT presented much evidence in court at all.. other than the probable cause affidavit? And that is KNOWN to be "incomplete" to say the least.

O'Mara on the other hand, DID present at least a sample of the evidence... which Lester apparently gave little weight to since it is "premature" at this stage?

Is Lester saying the evidence is "strong" simple because BDLR says it will be when he gets around to finding some evidence to present? :31

What on Earth is Judge Lester talking about?

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Rumpole wrote:
I am wondering WHY Lester has stated in BOTH Bond rulings that the evidence against GZ is strong? What evidence? The prosecution has NOT presented much evidence in court at all.. other than the probable cause affidavit? And that is KNOWN to be "incomplete" to say the least.

O'Mara on the other hand, DID present at least a sample of the evidence... which Lester apparently gave little weight to since it is "premature" at this stage?

Is Lester saying the evidence is "strong" simple because BDLR says it will be when he gets around to finding some evidence to present? :31

What on Earth is Judge Lester talking about?

I believe this whole case is being directed by the political machinery. Politics is wielding the sledge hammer that is being pounded upon Zimmerman's head. I think the judge just came under that same influence. Hope I'm wrong.


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It looks to me like Lester had a bit of a hissy fit over the money in PP account...... Judges rule so he revoked GZ's bond... but surely he has had his "pound of flesh" on that trifling matter?

For Lester to carry his petulance over into the case (or trial) is the serious worry.

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I believe this whole case is being directed by the political machinery. Politics is wielding the sledge hammer that is being pounded upon Zimmerman's head. I think the judge just came under that same influence. Hope I'm wrong.


I don't think you're wrong at all, seeing eye! It just ticks me off that Zimmerman went and made things worse for himself with the stupid lying after they had managed to actually turn the tide a little in his favor.


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I agree GZ was silly.. but I can imagine the mental turmoil I would be in if I was in his position.

It seems to have been largely overlooked that the money (and the passport) were surrendered anyway within days... and GZ certainly made no moves to skip town :12
O'Mara had the passport... Judge seems to have forgotten that... and GZ paid off credit cards etc... NOT what a person planning to abscond does.

But it is such a minor matter.... even as far as bond goes.. and irrelevant to the case itself.

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George should be grateful this bond mess will most likely not be heard for his trial. His goose would be cooked if it did. Now, as a consequence for his lying, the process will take so much longer.


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Rumpole wrote:
I agree GZ was silly.. but I can imagine the mental turmoil I would be in if I was in his position.

It seems to have been largely overlooked that the money (and the passport) were surrendered anyway within days... and GZ certainly made no moves to skip town :12
O'Mara had the passport... Judge seems to have forgotten that... and GZ paid off credit cards etc... NOT what a person planning to abscond does.

But it is such a minor matter.... even as far as bond goes.. and irrelevant to the case itself.

The judge even said in the first bond hearing that the passport was a non-issue, but when 2nd bond hearing came around he obviously had forgotten that it was a non-issue.


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