Hi all - new here - I lurk more than comment until I have questions that I can't find the answers to. I keep seeing mention of "ping logs" - do we know if they exist? Also, shouldn't there be more discovery released soon or did it already get released and I missed it? Also, wasn't there a defense motion that wasn't heard at the last hearing because it didn't meet the judge's filing deadline? I thought for sure they would refile it to be heard on 1/8, but they cancelled the reserved date....anyone know about that?

Rumpole - When I try to click on the link: viewtopic.php?f=45&t=63&p=19496#p19496 it won't give me access. Do I have a posting limit to meet, or am I doing something wrong?

I find it hilarious that they're accusing others of coming up with far fetched theories, while at the same time coming up with the most ridiculous ones to explain the many injuries to George's head.

I thought in one of the EMT's reports it states that they removed the button because it was interferring with their examination/ressucitation/

I don't recall any of the EMS stating that. There was no kind of residue on the button or it would have been submitted for testing, IMO. There was a 2inch square of stippling/soot and the hole in the hoodie is virtually the same place as that. I only remember that they were tagged as coming from the pockets.

The ear buds are the same. Now that one I remember a report that places them along side TMs body but the ME has them in the pocket, also.

All of my links are on my other computer. I haven't bought a little desk for that one yet and my table just isn't big enough for both. I have to go to work and won't be home until after 11pm. Give me a chance to review and link but it may be tomorrow before I can get it on here. I never thought I would be the geekish type with two computers but it looks like I will have to be that old soul. Next thing you know I will have a pocket protector. Not so lol.

IIRC, it is in the 283 page Doc Dump. If you find the link sooner would you mind posting it for me with the page number? TIA.

In the document thread here, at page 20, Serino discusses the photo pin.... I couldn't find any where that someone removed it and put it in his pocket - I do remember something about the pin being in Trayvon's pocket. Old mind..can't remember it all. http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3 ... ts-ocr.pdf

Background:
"Carrestorguy posting at RT and CTH speculated about the 7-11 bag perhaps being used by TM as a knuckle-wrap."


Rumpole: I'm not putting any time into advancing the "knuckle Wrap" speculation, it was merely to provide gnawing material against boredom. It's bizarre to hear of "cretans" from other sites being entertained by such speculative diversion. If you'd really like to keep them busy, I've an untenable SWAG based off Tracey & Chad's statement regarding last seeing Trayvon at 8:30pm. Though I've aggravated quite a few Tubers with it, I wouldn't post such a distracting Red Herring onto your site without checking first.

I know carrestorguy. We both were at pains to explain that this was speculation.. a discussion point... but the dopes missed that.
(Or chose to ignore it in their usual wilfully ignorant manner)

Not surprising really.... they show time and time again they simply have limited ability in English comprehension.

If you can outline some theory with even a hint of evidence to support it.. its a reasonable thing to post. At the very least something to discuss in the same way that the 7-11 bag was.

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Thanks.
Serino does describe pin on sweat shirt, but....

In the same 184 page discovery, the pin is described as being from TM's pockets

With just a skim through the 184 pages now I found .... evidence log entries on Pages 07, 22, 31, 45, 51, 58, 66, 75, and 82

There are some frustrating discrepancies in evidence details.

People will chose to believe what best fits their theory. I assume this matter will be resolved with questioning at depositions.
(If it is considered important by either side)

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Okay Rumpole; I'll try not to offend the moles but no guarantees.

I doubt the likelihood that both Tracey & Chad would've stated that they last saw Trayvon at approximately 8:30pm (Sunday 2/26) unless they both acquired the false time from the same source. Primarily for that reason, I believe the 8:30pm statements were a deliberate Red Herring & it's purpose being to distance Chad from the scene. I said deliberate because I don't believe for a second that Martin/Greene were too ignorant to take Trayvon's 7:17pm estimated time of death (officially 7:30pm) & subtract an hour to derive an adequate false time. Since Trayvon was old enough to legally supervise Chad, I eliminated fear of child services intervening into the Greene's lives. Hence I pondered how Chad gained from misstating the time he'd last seen Trayvon. The obvious is that we would call foul on the 8:30pm time, accuse that Chad wasn't really home & unwittingly give Chad distance from the tragic events.
I suggest the following in support.
The 7/11 surveilence video depicts Trayvon approaching the clerk at 6:23pm. It's fair to speculate that if walking, Trayvon left for the 7/11 at least by 6:00pm.
Why the need to distance Chad from the tragic events? I'd speculate it's likely Chad was complicit to Trayvon's attack against George.
A witness allegedly stated seeing a person wearing a light colored shirt standing in the vicinity from where the calls for help were coming. George was laying on his back & Trayvon was on his knees on top of George. It's very likely neither of them could be confused for the person allegedly standing nearby.
Another witness stated that she saw two persons run (north) past her opened patio door minutes prior to hearing any verbal commotion. George's back condition prevents him from running very much at all, forget about pursuing a former high school athlete. I'm assuming Trayvon was one of those persons running in the rain, the other could've been Chad or a mysterious faded jean clad individual.
I wonder if Chad was recording a beat down video of George, sure would be nice to know if anybody remote accessed that phone using a computer & attempted deleting a recent video. I've more regarding Chad but it's not proper to write here. For now I'd settle for knowing why both Tracey & Chad gave the same incorrect time of 8:30pm.

OK CRG.
You have laid out a hypothesis with reference to known facts.
I don't know if it could ever be proven, but it would be interesting to see people's comments for and against it.

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There is one thing that bothers me and I think it has to do with the lighting/weather conditions. The photograph that W13 took of Trayvon Martin that very dark hoodie photographed a light grey. We have all seen the 7-Eleven video and that hoodie looked either black or dark blue.

In any event this is where I think W3 comes into play. She said that she saw white shirt on top. She sees Zimmerman with LE at the time he was being cuffed and talks about how he is wearing red. I think that she is talking about two different and distinct individuals. She also reported that the cries she heard came from a man's voice and was surprised that it wasn't kids.

Fights are not static. Movements could have caused the hoodie to ride up. The undersweat is the one that has Zimmerman's DNA on it so even that one could have been the one she was seeing.

She also did a drawing. I think her testimony will have good value from a Defense point of view.

For what it is worth, I don't think that Chad was at the scene of the altercation. He obviously is the one who fed information to Tracy Martin regarding times and most likely clothing. IDK that a 14 yr old would be that engrossed in a clock or clothing. TM didn't come back, he had no one to watch that game with so he amused himself with video games. It isn't so much of a stretch, IMO. I know grown-ups (me on occasion) that are crazy for those games. I just don't see any reason to attach him to this without any hint of evidence that he was there.

Sorry, don't mean to offend. I am soooooo NAL. But I am a Spider junkie...for hours on end. 8-)

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There is no shortage of daft posts at JQ Trayvon Zone… every post is a gem, but it is mostly about RZ’s twitter. Even such case discussion as RZ raises is not part of the case, and the Traybots focus on personal abuse anyway.
So…. Thought I would give the mythical “Rumpole’s Mole” some time off

Today’s daft posting is from a public JQ forum:

JQ THREAD: 'disembowelled' pedophile is killed in jail attack
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/show ... hp?t=71093

Further proof that they are a hate-filled lynch mob rather than Questers for Justice.

Check out the Site Madam’s reaction to rabid posting, some examples of posts and a screen shot.

From the news article:

"A source close to the prison said: ‘To all intents and purposes he had been disembowelled. There was blood everywhere."


Responses from JQ posters…..










And the reaction from the Madam of the establishment






They just don’t get it.

They are proposing yet more MOB “justice” in prison…. For the purposes of this “Justice” as they see it, the most vile and evil inmates are “their guys”... an extension of their mob mentality…

.....the inmates who did the disembowelling are JQ Members in effect… the enforcement arm of JQ.



Please stick broadly to GZ case in this thread.

To discuss JQ, go to
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=63&p=19581#p19581

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Funny that 70scarest and I have differing conclusions reguarding the 8:30 statement. The time "8:30" was first used the following morning when Tracy called (911/sheriff's dept.?) for their help in finding Trayvon. It is MY belief that Tracy got the 8:30 time from Chad by asking him, prior to making the calls, when HE (Chad) had last seen him. I don't believe he ever saw Trayvon leave. There is NO evidence as to WHEN Trayvon left for the 7/11 and from WHERE he left. NO EVIDENCE. I believe, since Chad had told his father that Trayvon left at halftime of the NBA All-Star game, that Chad was NOT home that night. Chad was, I believe, 14?, so child protective services would not have gotten involved anyway.

As much as I'm dying to hear the DD stories and depo, I'm also dying to hear Chad's.

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Thanks Rumpole - the button got from the sweatshirt to the pocket somehow and I will be interested to find out how - not that it is really important to the case, but my curiosity is now up and I still have that nagging in the back of my head that I read a report that states it was removed while trying to render aid to TM.

I thought TM had removed it and put it in his pocket in anticipation of fighting GZ. He didn't want to lose it. That's just what entered my mind in the beginning of this case. No proof of that though.

I believe that, too. There should have been some kind of soot or stippling on that button. There is a roughly 2x2sq and the bullet hole is very close to where the button was in the 7-Eleven video.

There are two possibilities. One is that the residue was there and they missed it since it was never submitted for testing... or Two that it was in the pocket.

I think it is a very important piece of information and it needs to be established where that button actually was. If it is still on his hoodie that is a positive, IMO, for Martin. If it was in the pocket, that would be a negative as it could be seen as a signal of TMs intent.

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It seems RZ has said something on Twitter about possible civil law suits?
Whatever it is has given at least some of the JQ posters pause to think about the libellous stuff they post.

It’s mostly paranoia I think, but the discussion on this subject highlights a few interesting points.

Traybots are not so much worried about the HATE that they post… just worried about RZ (and others) seeing it. (Of course the creation of the secret Trayvon Zone Sewer came from that line of thinking)

I doubt they get it, but it shows that on some level the KNOW that what they post is hate and that it may well cause harm.

The solution offered by some alpha cretins is to simply put “IMO” or “JMO” in a post… then you can post anything you like, true or not, because “IMO” means it’s an “opinion” and you cant be held accountable for those!! (What do they smoke over there??)

Seems NONE of them have thought of the most obvious solution… POST THE TRUTH.

You can not be sued for libel if what you write is the truth… those worried should perhaps just stop posting lies and unsubstantiated supposition… that would work… move along… no law suit here, we only post the truth!



Some examples:









Please stick broadly to GZ case in this thread.

To discuss JQ, go to
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=63&p=19630#p19630

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This has probably been noticed/discussed before but it is new to me. LOL.

I WAS TAKING THE TIME TO REREAD SOME OF THE 1ST DOC DUMP. (oops and too lazy to retype) I could help but to notice that Wagner (pg18) report is listed as a supplemental report, dated 3/24/12 which is after Angela Corey took over as the appointed SA.

Serino told him that there was no pictures of George Zimmerman that documented his injuries, that was on 3/18/12. But Serino had filed his capias on 3/13/12, five days earlier. "Inv C Serino requested that I submit this narrative with my involvement in this case."

Things that make me think. Why didn't Serino asked for an additional narrative or phrase it as a supplemental? Why did it take until after Corey was appointed to file the narrative? Why I can't find Wagner's original report?

Why did Serino ask for a defense attorney to be at the defense deposition? I've never seen a police officer do that. There must be something there that worries Serino crime wise. I think he will be a defense witness.

He is aware of what went down behind the scenes. He was transferred to road patrol on the overnight shift. That is a punishment transfer IMO. I have heard that some police officers will be a thorn in the side of the prosecution.

The SA can be present at defense depositions. The SA is the police officer's/state witnesses attorney. He could probably get a lawyer from his union too. if they have a union. Instead, he got an outside defense attorney. Very strange.

I believe, when he walked back to GZ, he was putting everything he had with him in his pockets because he intended to teach whitey a lesson.