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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:22 pm 
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I've watched the videos and read some articles, again the bikers say that they ran at LE and LE told them get down. So it seems LE was not shooting willy-nilly at the bikers. Also I haven't seen this still before

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It looks like whoever is facing the police is identifying himself and holding a gun so he must be known to LE, the picture is so grainy it is impossible to tell if the person is dressed as a biker with certainty but it does appear that he is in a vest with a patch. Either an undercover or the luckiest guy on earth to not have been popped by LE. Again the photo is grainy enough that it is possible that the man is not holding a gun but it appears that he is.

The video shows chaos and the ones I've seen show at least 3 guys firing their guns with what appears to be total abandon. Idiots.

Oh and both clubs insist that to was the other club who started shooting :roll

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106/177 indictments are making news today. NBC article mentions that 71 other indictments will be sought at a later date but was short on facts re what the charges are or differences between the two groups.

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Thanks for the heads-up, LR! :28

After First Round of Bikers Indicted, Legal Analyst Breaks Down What's Next In Twin Peaks Cases
By Rissa Shaw | KCENTV.com | November 11, 2015, 10:31PM

After months of investigation, preparation, and anticipation...a Waco grand jury indicted almost two thirds of the bikers arrested in the Twin Peaks shooting.

The biker count has jumped to 186 after 106 bikers were indicted Tuesday for their involvement in the May 17th shooting that left nine bikers dead and at least 18 more injured. Nine of the 106 indicted were not arrested that day with the 177 others who were.

“The rules of evidence don't apply during grand jury hearings, so they can rely on hearsay evidence, they might hear about people's criminal histories,” said Liz Mitchell, Former Dallas County Prosecutor and KCEN Legal Analyst.

However, nine of the bikers indicted after hearing that evidence are unknown to the public: they were not in the group of 177 arrested on May 17th, so their indictments are sealed, and will be until they're brought in for arrest.

“Those nine people could be defendants that were at the scene at Twin Peaks that day but fled prior to apprehension, or more importantly, these could be people that helped organize this event but were not present,” said Mitchell.

Mitchell said not being present doesn't mean they're not guilty...in fact they could be the brains behind the operation.

“In this case, one of those nine people could have essentially ordered the gang to arrive on a specific date and carry out a crime,” said Mitchell.

“I don't think that anyone could ever expect that the code of criminal procedure, and the laws therein, expected a situation in which 177 co-defendants were going to be going through a system or that there were nine dead and others wounded as well,” said Abel Reyna, McLennan County Criminal District Attorney.

On Tuesday night, Reyna announced the grand jury had indicted this first round of bikers on the original charge they were arrested for of engaging in organized criminal activity with the underlying offense of aggravated assault and murder; that underlying offense means the remaining 80 bikers could be indicted at any time.

“Eventually...those cases will be presented to the grand jury in some form or fashion,” said Reyna.

More at link: http://www.kcentv.com/story/30496962/after-first-round-of-bikers-indicted-legal-analyst-breaks-down-whats-next-in-twin-peaks-cases


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Wow this is scary....


"don't think that anyone could ever expect that the code of criminal procedure, and the laws therein, expected a situation in which 177 co-defendants were going to be going through a system or that there were nine dead and others wounded as well,” said Abel Reyna, McLennan County Criminal District Attorney."

DA musta skipped eighth grade civics class when they discussed difference between civil and criminal laws? Aka the whole point of civil law procedures is to prevent situations like this.

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New video of Waco biker shootout
2:17 PM ET, Sat December 12, 2015


New video obtained by CNN appears to show the beginning of the bloodbath among biker gangs in Waco, Texas. CNN's Nick Valenica reports.

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/justice/2015/11/11/waco-texas-biker-shootout-indicted-grand-jury-lavandera-dnt-erin.cnn/video/playlists/waco-texas-biker-gangs-shooting/


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Well remember way back in May of 2015 when the Bandidos and Cossacks had a biker shootout in Waco, Texas at the Twin Peaks restaurant?

Looks like the Bandido’s were already at that time under surveillance for 14 months. As I said way back then, these indictments are the real deal. It seems the “intelligence gathering” lasted almost two years.



Operation Texas Rocker has inflicted a debilitating blow to the leadership hierarchy and violent perpetrators of the Bandidos Outlaw Motorcycle Gang,” said Joseph M. Arabit, special agent in charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration’s Houston field division, in a statement. “This 23-month operation highlights a deliberate and strategic effort to cut off and shut down the supply of methamphetamine trafficked by the Bandidos as well as other related criminal activity.”


http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks ... abf4f.html

I hope the boys have the best attorneys money can buy because they certainly have caught the eye of the FBI, DEA, DPS and local authorities.


These guys are charged under RICO laws with racketeering, and the "membership dues" which is what the Cossacks claimed was the underlying bad blood between them and the Bandidos is part of the Feds case.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews ... e0.pdf.pdf

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And CNN has a camera angle which I had not seen before.

New video shows beginning of Waco biker shootout

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/12/us/waco-t ... new-video/

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Thanks for the newest video, Carm!

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Thanks Carm, my guess is that prosecutors any footage they plan to use in court ...aka anything that shows the initial confrontation...locked down tight so looking at the leaked content is frustrating.

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HI Lurking and Molly :69

I think that most of the charges are going to stick with these fellows the video is not good for them. And that there was already a strong investigation going 13 months prior to the Waco event means that the LE knows probably almost exactly what happened.

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I forgot about the prior surveillance. I was sitting here today wondering who they have to decipher who is who in the videos, which "chapter" they are affiliated with and names.

I suppose the experts are familiar by now. :)


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23 month operation? LE knows who is whose old lady, they know their dogs names, their kids favorite ice cream and who is a second cousin twice removed :smoke



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McLennan County grand jury returning new Twin Peaks indictments
By WacoTrib.com Staff | March 23, 2016


A McLennan County grand jury returned a number of indictments Wednesday in the May 17 Twin Peaks shootout between rival biker groups.

The McLennan County District Clerk’s Office is processing the indictments and an office spokeswoman said the indictments are not immediately available for public review.

McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna declined comment about the grand jury proceedings early Wednesday afternoon, but said his office will be releasing a statement.

The same grand jury returned 106 indictments in November that charged bikers who were at Twin Peaks that day with engaging in organized criminal activity. The grand jury’s term was extended by 90 days in December to continue reviewing the Twin Peaks cases.

Nine bikers were killed and more than two dozen were wounded during the shootout.

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Does the grand jury extinct mean the pushback on five minute per indictments were at minimum bad press at most a defense attorneys dream?

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My guess is the extension is to incorporate damaging evidence that was secured in the 13 months preceding the slaughter of 9 men in the Twin Peaks parking lot. The indictments looked premature and too far reaching but LE never wavered.


Look for the PTB to pull a whole slew of mitigating factors out of their hat. LE said repeatedly that they could not release details as it would impede their investigation, (as far as I remember the court only gave the defense very minor victories in the prosecutorial claim to protected evidence) LE/prosecutors never said that disclosure would impede their Twin Peaks investigation, we all just assumed that was the investigation they were talking about, they were talking about their RICO case.

As bad and as disorganized as this looked for the prosecution at first, it now looks far, far worse for the bikers. Also remember there was a lot of misreporting about the Twin Peaks bikers being charged under the RICO Act, even the released bikers made the mistake, when in actuality they were charge under Texas Code 71.02(a)(1)-(a)(18) EOCA (engaging in organized criminal activity). I believe this mis reporting was a suspicion that many insiders had that there was an ongoing Federal investigation. LE knew that a confrontation was planned at the Waco meeting, and the bikers knew that LE knew after the shit hit the fan.

So now the bikers are faced with State charges and Federal charges and the Feds have been living in their homes for 2 years.


Or in proper legal language "These bikers are fucked".

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Grand jury clears 3 Waco officers in Twin Peaks shootout
By Staff, WacoTrib.com | September 14, 2016


Three Waco police officers were cleared of wrongdoing in the May 17 Twin Peaks shootout that left nine people dead.

“Our department along with numerous local, state and federal law enforcement agencies have worked tirelessly on the still on-going investigation of Twin Peaks,” Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said in a statement. “We have completed an exhaustive internal investigation on the officer involved portion of the incident which was reviewed by the Texas Rangers. The three officers have been cleared by the investigation, and the action of the Grand Jury affirms those findings.”

Fifteen-year veteran officer Andy O’Neal, 11-year veteran officer Michael Bucher and 9-year veteran officer Heath Jackson were “no-billed” in the Wednesday hearing, Swanton said, meaning the grand jury did not find sufficient evidence to indict.
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The officers will immediately return to full duty, Gentsch said.

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Thanks Molly.

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hmmmm....


“Our department, along with numerous local, state and federal law enforcement agencies, has worked tirelessly on the still-ongoing investigation of Twin Peaks,” Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said in a statement. “We have completed an exhaustive internal investigation on the officer-involved portion of the incident, which was reviewed by the Texas Rangers. The three officers have been cleared by the investigation, and the action of the grand jury affirms those findings.”

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Four of the people killed in the shootout and one of the wounded were struck with bullets from .223-caliber rifles, the only type of firearms police used at the scene, according to an Associated Press report. Two of the bikers killed also were struck with other types of bullets, according to the AP report.
It is unclear whether bikers fired the same caliber of bullets. Twelve long guns were reportedly recovered from Twin Peaks, which could include rifles.

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Hmmmm is right, Carm. ;)

The three officers only fired a total of 12 shots. Makes me wonder if (maybe) the investigators went to lengths to do ballistic tests and presented to Grand Jury.


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Given the bikers were running at the officers and not getting shot and continued to run at police officers, I suspect that LE took specific aim at specific targets especially since they knew there was a high likelihood that something like this was going to happen. I also suspect that that the four bikers killed by bullets consistent with the caliber that LE was firing were holding guns when they were shot.

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