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Wake up, Brexiteers – BoJo’s deal is what you once called vassalage October 20, 2019 Melanie
Nigel Farage has denounced Boris Johnson’s EU deal as “95 per cent the same” as Theresa May’s withdrawal deal, which was deemed so terrible by Remainers as well as Brexiteers that it was voted down three times by the House of Commons.
You can watch much of his blistering speech here.
Farage’s verdict, that the Johnson deal is a reheated version of May’s deal, accords completely with what I wrote here on Friday.
He also points out that it would split the UK by effectively imposing a border down the middle of the Irish Sea, thus separating Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.
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It is SAD.. depressing even... to watch what is happening in UK. Almost HALF the population is LOST after decades of brainwashing... REMOANERS. But now also a large chunk of the clued-up half have been conned. Boris's "deal" is NOT BREXIT AT ALL. People who voted leave did NOT vote to leave one treaty and join another.. no matter how the details of that treaty were negotiated. Leave means leave. There was a 2 year period to agree (or not) on day to day things as every nation does with other nations. Then just leave. No further "Transition period" required.
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BORIS DEAL (TREATY) IS NOT BREXIT
The problem is NOT that Parliament are failing to agree on a "Brexit deal"... the problem is more fundamental... ANY DEAL (TREATY) is NOT BREXIT. As we are seeing gradually revealed. A "deal" is not LEAVING (on whatever date is specified).. It is REMAINING after that date.. (for maybe years) while Free trade and other matters are negotiated. We all KNOW such matters will NEVER be resolved and so it's REMAIN FOR EVER. The public have been conned. There is no such thing as a brexit deal
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Brexit news latest: EU 'to grant three-month Brexit extension if Boris Johnson fails to get deal through Commons this week' Rebecca Speare-Cole 4 hours ago
The European Union will delay Brexit until February 2020 if Boris Johnson is unable to get his deal past MPs this week, according to reports.
Diplomatic sources quoted by The Times said a delay would be "fungible" - meaning Britain could leave on select earlier dates if the PM's deal is ratified by then.
A decision on granting an extension to the October 31 deadline will not be made until EU governments have assessed the chances of the deal getting through Parliament before Tuesday this week, according to the publication.
Its sources said the EU’s most likely option is to decide that the three-month extension in the Benn act - until January 31 2020 - is a purely “technical extension”.
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We are British. We don't do revolution/riots etc. We prefer to queue.
I have seen the EEC evolve from a trade block set up to compete AGAINST UK... to a trade block including UK, but heavily restricting UK trade with historical allies, including Commonwealth Countries. It has gone on to be a political Union as well, with delusions of being United States of Europe, and expanding into an "EMPIRE" It is NOT a matter of "older generation" somehow restricting this glorious future for younger generation.. but rather older people KNOWING and sounding the alarm!
The scenarios being suggested are all NOT BREXIT.. especially Boris deal (treaty). I think we all need to "suck it up" for now. Extension. A GENERAL ELECTION is required before revisiting a REAL BREXIT.
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I think the "Brexit negotiations" have been done in an ass-backwards way. As has been stated... "Leave means leave".. and so the starting point should have been severing all ties. NATURALLY there are aspects of the relationship between UK and EU that either side or both sides want to retain. THAT was the whole point of the 2 years of negotiation after Article 50 was triggered. A LOT of it is standard stuff that nations have with all other nations, as well as additional specific agreements on trade (free trade), tariffs, defense, police cooperation etc. Since UK and EU already have this stuff in place, it need not have been hard to simply continue much of it. There should have been a "clean break" after the 2 years, as was stated (promised), naturally with ongoing discussions between UK and EU, as there are between all nations. The British people should not have tolerated the betrayal on 29th March. It is frustrating that Parliament continues to subvert the will of the people (and common sense)
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Bercow refuses to hold vote on Brexit deal
Bercow says the vote sought by the government was “in substance the same” as one held on Saturday and it would be “repetitive and disorderly” to allow a new vote Monday.
FUNNY... Bercow allowed vote on May's deal 3 times (and was looking like he would allow a 4th). There was a splitting off of the political declaration (might explain one repeat)
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Scottish judges delay ruling in Boris Johnson contempt of court case
Most senior judge says court needs to ensure PM does not try to block Brexit extension
Scottish judges have delayed a final ruling on whether Boris Johnson is in contempt of court to ensure he agrees to an extension to Brexit.
Lord Carloway, the country’s most senior judge, said they needed to be sure the prime minister did not try to block or sabotage the application he was forced to make on Saturday night for an extension to Brexit until 31 January.
The court’s decision, issued after a short hearing at the court of session in Edinburgh, means Johnson faces being held in contempt if judges rule he has failed to honour pledges made to court not to frustrate the extension process.
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Well... as things stand it is CLAIMED that "Brexit ends" on 31st October.
But... that is total nonsense. Even if "Boris's Deal" (Treaty) is passed and enacted.... nothing changes.. other than they start Trade negotiations.. and a transition period to December 2020... and that can be extended.. and of course it will (likely for years). Besides there is all sorts of BAD STUFF in the treaty that binds UK to EU rule... worse than now because UK will have no say at all... even over billions of pounds EU might decide UK have to pay.
And.... Remoaners have forced Boris to send a letter asking for extension past 31st October if Deal held up.. and that may well happen.
Personally... I am actually IN FAVOR of an extension (to hold an election) because Boris's deal is NOT BREXIT
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BORIS DEAL IS NOT BREXIT!! We all need to join with remoaners for a week... and STOP THIS "Remain Deal"
Boris threatening to PULL this TREATY Bill... Boris Johnson to call general election if Brexit deal fails in the House!
Meanwhile back in Europe... Barnier has said the next phase.... negotiating trade deal... will take 3 years!!! And you can bet it will take even longer than that.
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Withdawal agreement bill passes in Commons MPs have voted to allow the government’s withdrawal agreement bill to pass to the next stage of the parliamentary process. They voted by 329 votes to 299; a majority of 30 on the second reading.
MPs move immediately to vote on the programme motion. DUP say they will vote against
MPs have voted to reject the government’s timetable for the passage of the bill that would implement the prime minister’s Brexit deal. They voted against by 322 to 308; a majority of 14. Boris Johnson said earlier today he would withdraw the bill and seek a general election if he lost the vote.
BORIS PAUSES the bill I must express my disappointment that the house has again voted for delay, rather than a timetable that would have guaranteed that the UK would be in a position to leave the EU on 31 October with a deal.
And we now face further uncertainty and the EU must make up their minds over how to answer parliament’s request for a delay. And the first consequence, Mr Speaker, is that the government must take the only responsible course and accelerate our preparations for a no-deal outcome.
The leader of the Commons, Jacob Rees-Mogg, is on his feet setting out how the government intends to proceed. He tells MPs there will be a debate on the Queen’s speech on Wednesday and Thursday and that the Commons will not sit on Friday.
The shadow leader, Valerie Vaz, reiterates Labour’s offer to work to find a consensus on the Brexit bill’s timetabling.
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This is NONSENSE. The British public still being conned. Boris's deal (treaty) IS NOT BREXIT The public need to be informed that they are still under EU control during "transition period" said to be until December 2020... but already PLANNED to last into 2022 (and beyond?). UK pays 39 billion +++++ Liabilities to be huge and decided by ECJ
Anna Soubry said in Parliament that a General Election would "solve nothing".... Some Wag pointed out that it would get rid of HER!
John Mann heckles Anna Soubry: 'It'll get rid of you'
When politicians BOAST that they "voted remain" in the referendum, but still voted FOR every DEAL vote.... THAT is actually PROOF that these daft treaties ARE NOT BREXIT DEALS... They are REMAIN UNDER NEW TREATY!!!!
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Imagine you and 10 friends are in a Burger King. And you voted to leave 3 and a half years ago. You have SHOT the tosser who claimed to have "a deal" and agreed to pay 39 billion, but stay in the Burger king doing whatever they demanded (such as licking toilet bowls clean). You now have another person offering pretty much the SAME DEAL (treaty).... with NOTHING CHANGING until after a "transition period" to December 2020 (already extended to 2022). At which stage you are still in the Burger King....STILL bound to lick toilet bowls.. and supply Burger King with fish for life. Would you call this Brexit?
The "brexit" being discussed in Parliament is a TOTAL CON. Did ANYBODY who voted LEAVE know there would be "Article 50" and 2 years + delay? Maybe some people knew that point.. but I think they would all assume that after 2 years it was a CLEAN BREAK. Instead we now learn there is a BILL of 39 billion, and many more billions liability (to be decided by EU)... and even now there is another delay (transition period) where we are STILL controlled by EU.. and will be for ever in many many ways... and even December 2020 is ALREADY said to be extended.. another 2 years.
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EU's Tusk says he will recommend Brexit extension to avoid no-deal John Chalmers
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - European Council President Donald Tusk said on Tuesday that he would recommend that the 27 other member states of the European Union approve a delay of Britain’s departure date following Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s decision to put the Brexit deal on hold.
The ONLY point in an extension is to have an election... and LABOUR are not agreeing to that. They want "no deal" to be off the table first. I even saw one Labour spokesman saying that EU must issue that assurance? Talk about wanting to be a Vassal state!!! If there is more time to debate the "deal"... it will only be passed with amendments... silly amendments like Customs Union... which would KILL the thing as a even a fake Boris deal (treaty)
I STILL do not see any sort of sure way to move forward???
IF these clowns are given an extension.. they will probably just fuck off on holiday.. and start debating again after Christmas!! At which time they will FAIL again and be asking for another extension.. people's vote... revoke Article 50
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Shamima Begum: Stripping citizenship put her at risk of hanging, court hears 22 October 2019
Removing Shamima Begum's citizenship after she went to Syria left her stateless and at risk of hanging, a court has heard.
Her lawyer said Ms Begum, now 20, is in "an incredibly fragile and dangerous" position in a Syrian refugee camp.
After leaving London as a 15-year-old, Ms Begum lived under the rule of the Islamic State group for three years, before being found in February.
The Home Office denies that the decision left her stateless.
It says that she could claim Bangladeshi nationality through her family, but her lawyers told the court that Bangladesh said it will not allow Ms Begum into the country and she would face hanging if she tried to enter secretly.
A four-day preliminary hearing is taking place at the Special Immigration Appeals Commission, a semi-secret court that deals with cases where the UK government wants to keep someone out of the country on national security grounds.
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