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Rumpole
PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:35 am 
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George Zimmerman defense ponders request to combine 'stand your ground' hearing with trial

A combination hearing and trial would decide fate of Trayvon Martin's shooter

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
10:39 p.m. EST, February 17, 2013

Two major court dates loom large over the second-degree-murder case against George Zimmerman: a "stand your ground" hearing in April, and depending on the outcome, a trial June 10.

But last week, defense attorney Mark O'Mara raised an alternative. With his team crunched for time, he suggested the defense may ultimately ask for the hearing and trial to be combined.

To an outside observer, O'Mara and other attorneys say, a combination hearing-trial would likely look a lot like a normal trial: A jury would be selected, and the state and defense would present their cases.

But once that's done, the jury would be placed in limbo while the defense tries to convince the judge to end the case herself.

Though arguing a "stand your ground" motion at trial is atypical, it's not unusual to try to resolve a case just before it goes to the jury.

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O'Mara acknowledged that skipping the pretrial hearing would be a lost opportunity but said that would be true for both sides. He said he's confident in his case, even if Nelson decided not to rule on immunity until after the jury's verdict.

"She could even listen to the verdict before she makes her determination," he said, adding confidently: "I'm OK with waiting until the jury acquits."

I don't think Nelson has the guts to grant immunity in a pre-trial hearing. If the jury acquits George before Nelson has to rule on immunity it would give her something to hide behind and make her more inclined to grant immunity. The approach would also give the rabid racists the trial they want, while being more likely to deny Team Crump the benefit of George being denied (civil) immunity. The Martin family, Crump, NatJack et al, can't protest the idea of immunity after acquittal too much or it becomes far too obvious even to the densest of people it's not about 'justice' for them, it's about money.

I think there's a possibility MOM might be able to convince Nelson if he can somehow get her to realize the benefits. It gets her off the hook and puts most of the responsibility on the jury. More people would also find immunity granted after acquittal more palatable. It seems like a great solution in this specific case.
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Zimmerman defense: Prosecutors are dragging their feet

Lawyers think prosecutors are deliberately holding back information that helps George Zimmerman

By Frances Robles
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Posted on Tuesday, 12.04.12

George Zimmerman’s defense lawyers say prosecutors are deliberately dragging their feet, and accused the Duval County State Attorney of delaying — and even hiding — evidence that suggests their client is innocent.

It took months and the judge’s intervention for lawyers to get a vivid color copy of Zimmerman’s bloody injuries. The defense didn’t find out about witnesses who had helpful information until recently, and attorneys learned of a police officer’s full role in the case by word of mouth.

Papers filed in Seminole County Court in Sanford accuse prosecutors of withholding exculpatory information by delaying reports and a key audio tape.

The lawyers are asking Seminole Circuit Judge Debra Nelson for help.

“The state should not be allowed to play hide and seek with the evidence,” defense attorney Mark O’Mara wrote.

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda has not filed a written response in court, and the spokeswoman for his office did not respond to a request for comment.

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/04/3 ... utors.html


Well, it's about frigging time the defense gets these delays and rules violations on record. Now, we’ll know for sure where Nelson stands, regarding adhering to State law and trial/discovery rules.

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Uh, hey, Rumpole? The article byline shows December 4, 2012, rather than today?

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chipbennett wrote:
Uh, hey, Rumpole? The article byline shows December 4, 2012, rather than today?

Ooops..
Thanks Chip. I'll change date on article post.

The points made are relevant still... I guess we have not made any progress in 2 months.

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ummm.... And Robles is now with the NY Times. IIRC, since January 1.
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Now that you mention it... I sort of remember that. :11

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Do any of you think George has a chance of being acquitted? If so, why?

Rumpole, discussion #3 is locked.


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It's under starters orders... will open it and close this thread when we pass 1000 posts.

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Gotcha.

Do you think George has a chance?

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Yes.

But it may take a while.

If several worst nightmares come true and he is convicted and sent to prison...... there will. I am sure be a HUGE outcry.

Both sides can play the "No peace without justice" card.

This case is a farce and a travesty of justice already.

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Attorneys for George Zimmerman depose Serino, lead SPD investigator in Trayvon Martin case
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
11:38 a.m. EST, February 18, 2013

Defense attorneys have deposed Chris Serino, lead investigator in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case, according to court paperwork released today.

It's not clear what he said, but Serino is likely to be an important witness at Zimmerman's trial.

The former investigator publicly said the Sanford Police Department never had enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with a crime while quietly filing paperwork with the State Attorney's Office, saying he believed there was enough to charge him with manslaughter.

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Don't you suppose most of the witnesses will be scared NOT to be on Travon's side?

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A Florida case where Stand your ground was a successful defense for this retired police officer. He was charged with 2nd degree murder.


Former OPD cop Timothy Davis acquitted in son's killing

Davis Sr., 48, was charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Timothy Davis Jr., 22.

February 14, 2013|By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

Tarsha Davis clutched tightly to index cards bearing biblical passages as she waited for a verdict with her eyes closed.

It came just before 6 p.m., after a four-day trial: A jury acquitted her husband, 48-year-old retired Orlando officer Timothy Davis Sr., in the killing of their son, 22-year-old Timothy Davis Jr.
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Davis Sr. said he went to his garage to get away from his son and retrieved a gun from his car when the younger man followed, and later fired two shots.

After the verdict, Altman said the state did its job.

"We presented all the facts to the jury, they were instructed on the law," he said. "That's our system."

Nesmith praised the jurors, who he said "did a wonderful job in analyzing the evidence and, in particular, making a correlation between the 'stand your ground' [law] and the evidence that we presented."

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If Zimmerman was innocent then he didn't need to hire a lawyer. His story would have stood on its own merits and he never would have been charged. His story couldn't withstand scrutiny so he lawyered up.


I found this one at the OS.

ummmm... Micah25. Zimmerman knew he was innocent and he didn't ask for a lawyer. He agreed to everything they asked of him. Took the CVSA. Did the reenactment. Gave 5 or 6 statements. And look at where it got him...

...To the point where he needed a lawyer, facing Murder 2 charges, and has had to remain in hiding for almost a year due to the misinformation freely distributed by MSM and Team Crump.

If you get into the slightest trouble. Use your one call to either retain a lawyer or to a relative that can afford to retain a lawyer.
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I had a college professor who loved saying, "different is NOT deficient." :64

Yours is yet another reason why a polygraph (and the VST) is considered unreliable and inadmissible, but it is a valuable tool.


BUT these "deficiencies" are KNOWN. Recognised by proper administrators of tests. As we saw in GZ case.. a lot of effort goes into establishing a baseline.. checking to see how the test works FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL.
There are control questions which would pick up an individual who can "lie and not be detected"... the Traybots are just being silly.. they don't understand the first thing about such tests.. or proper application of scientific investigation.

As I say a proficient tester would spot MzDazie types... and would report the test as "inconclusive" in her case.

The test would detect a person "on drugs" or psychologically able to "lie" without showing a reaction... all that "STUFF" is part of doing a proper test, professionally.

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If Zimmerman was innocent then he didn't need to hire a lawyer. His story would have stood on its own merits and he never would have been charged. His story couldn't withstand scrutiny so he lawyered up.


I found this one at the OS.


It's funny a travonite would bring this up considering that TM's family immediately hired a lawyer who immediately set about obstructing the police investigation by trying to seal all TM's records, when George did not lawyer up until it was obvious that he was going to be persecuted.

If Travon was innocent then he didn't need to hire a lawyer... (or so the travonite logic goes)
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Zimmerman fund to meet $30,000 goal, defense says
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
11:51 a.m. EST, February 19, 2013

George Zimmerman's defense fund announced today that it expects to meet its monthly goal of $30,000, money the defense says will be used to retain experts for his defense.

The defense announced the monthly goal in late January, and in the roughly three weeks since has raised almost $28,000, a new post on the defense fund's website says

"The majority of these funds remain unspent, and have been held in reserve to pay for necessary experts," who must be lined up by a March 27 deadline set by the court, the post states.

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From the defence fund site.....


Zimmerman Defense Fund To Meet First Month's Goal

on 19 February 2013.

When we relaunched this GZDefenseFund.com website, we declared a fundraising goal of $30,000 per month, and we envisioned we'd be defending this case for at least the next 6 months. $30,000 per month is barely enough to defend the case the way we need to, but it is also more than we realistically hoped we could raise. Nonetheless, in the 3 weeks since we renewed our call for support for George's defense, we have raised almost $28,000. The majority of these funds remain unspent, and have been held in reserve to pay for necessary experts.

This money means a number of things for the defense:


... more at link
http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate/index.php/updates-2


TO DONATE:
http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate/

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Shellie Zimmerman's attorney speaks out about perjury case
5:8PM EST, February 19, 2013

Shellie Zimmerman appeared in court Tuesday afternoon and sat silently as a judge refused to dismiss the perjury charge against her.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogal ... rjury-case

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