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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:31 am 
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Sure thing... gotta call DeeDee... we all want to see who she is

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:09 am 
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Getting the Facts Straight in the Zimmerman Case

American Thinker by Jack Cashill June 4, 2013


http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/ ... _case.html

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:46 am 
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Did anyone watch HLN AfterDark last night? It was very clear to me from the mock jury and one of the guest attys. that this case is divided racially...

My point is if the jury is comprised of some minorities, they won't favor the defense one iota.

One positive note is GZ's former atty. (woman) had nothing but good things to say about George.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:56 am 
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Only thing good abt this HLN show, is it keeps proving my point: BEST CASE SCENARIO #GZ can hope 4 is a hung jury & that's a long shot.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:56 am 
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Rumpole wrote:
Sure thing... gotta call DeeDee... we all want to see who she is



Or who she are.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:08 am 
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The absence of DD's testimony, along with Bernie hoping to avoid what he classifies as GZ's self-serving statements given to LE, leaves me uncertain how the state even has a case to present.

On a related issue, could the deposition of DD by the defense come to the table after Crump's?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:13 am 
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FWIW....On WS Blog Talk Radio Sunday Night


On this show SHERYL MCCOLLUM claimed that it's now been clearly established that the alleged "f***ing *oon" comment on the 911 tape is something that "somebody put that in there" - that somebody manipulated the tape. Has anybody heard or seen a credible report of this?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:36 am 
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So what are the chances that the depo of Crump gives MOM the rest of the package he needs to wrap up and place on Judge Fudge's desk to ask for the the PCA to be voided? If there is 100% proof that witness 8 is fake, how can the PCA be valid and without the PCA how can George be tried? I would think the DCA would over turn Judge Fudge in a heart beat if she didn't dismiss based on the PCA being null and void.

I think they have had enough all along, but I think they are trying to make sure that they get Crump on record lying not only to make sure there is no way to weasel out of the lies, but also to make sure that he is setup for the civil suit.


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I've wondered the same thing myself: why doesn't the defense merely challenge the PCA? Are there procedural requirements or barriers to doing so? Would such a challenge be timely? Without Witness 8, the PCA is utterly specious.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:53 am 
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I think they have been waiting on the ruling to see if they could get a few more nails for the coffins.


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A secret motion to have secret witnesses. I object. If witnesses have a reasonable basis to fear for their safety if their identity is disclosed, that should not be a secret. Hopefully the media attorney(s) will oppose.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0613/noh_060613.pdf


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I hate these acronyms, I can't keep up. There is a rumor that George Zimmerman is the $590,000,000 powerball winner and once the dough is in an account in the Caymans he is outa there.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:49 am 
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Yeah, right. I hear a rumor that he chased a kid who was eating candy too and we know how much truth there was to that rumor.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:51 am 
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A secret motion to have secret witnesses. I object. If witnesses have a reasonable basis to fear for their safety if their identity is disclosed, that should not be a secret. Hopefully the media attorney(s) will oppose.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0613/noh_060613.pdf

I can understand any defense witness wanting to remain anonymous to the public, they will have much to fear. Whether George wins or loses there will be violence in the streets, an excuse to go create mayhem and loot.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:58 am 
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taurus wrote:
Only thing good abt this HLN show, is it keeps proving my point: BEST CASE SCENARIO #GZ can hope 4 is a hung jury & that's a long shot.


If the jury bases their decision on factual evidence George wins, only way I see a hung jury would be because of intimidation, fear of retaliation from pro TM supporters.


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I was thrilled to get home to the news about the 5th DCA ruling! That was the way to end the day! Toasted with an imaginary top shelf margarita!

Richard Hornsby! He made me smile even bigger!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:00 am 
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Jordan wrote:
I hate these acronyms, I can't keep up. There is a rumor that George Zimmerman is the $590,000,000 powerball winner and once the dough is in an account in the Caymans he is outa there.


Jordan, that Avie is freaking terrifying...

:eek :eek :eek :eek :eek

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:05 am 
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John_Galt wrote:
A secret motion to have secret witnesses. I object. If witnesses have a reasonable basis to fear for their safety if their identity is disclosed, that should not be a secret. Hopefully the media attorney(s) will oppose.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0613/noh_060613.pdf


The only time I have ever noticed such was when undercover agents of some sort were provided anonymity. I'm not even sure what the confidentiality means here, be it identity or testimony.


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taurus wrote:
Only thing good abt this HLN show, is it keeps proving my point: BEST CASE SCENARIO #GZ can hope 4 is a hung jury & that's a long shot.

Jordan wrote:
If the jury bases their decision on factual evidence George wins, only way I see a hung jury would be because of intimidation, fear of retaliation from pro TM supporters.


Hornsby is right: if Witness 8 doesn't testify, this case should never even get to the jury.

The State can't disprove self-defense, with even a preponderance of evidence, much less, beyond a reasonable doubt. But more importantly: the State has zero evidence to prove the three criteria of a second-degree murder. "These a**holes, they always get away" does not establish a depraved mind, and there's nothing that evinces a disregard for human life. Witness 8 is the only hope of establishing either a modicum of evidence to support either criterion.

And the DCA is making it quite clear to Nelson, through both of yesterday's reversals of her rulings, that they will uphold the statutory requirements for prosecution. If she sends the case to the jury absent any evidence, the defense will appeal that decision, and I believe will win, handily. (And that's not even getting into the plethora of other reversible error Nelson has committed throughout this farce.)

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/0 ... 81804.html

What????? Saying that a video has something it doesn't is fabricating evidence? No, that might be misstating what the evidence shows, that is not fabricating evidence. Fabricating evidence is when say you have a witness that doesn't really exist, make claims about something that didn't happen so that you can get a states attorney to charge someone with a crime. That is fabricating evidence.


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