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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 4:45 pm 
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I am sure that this panel will find that OP has psychological/psychiatric "issues".....

Psychiatrists/psychologists are "in the business" of finding underlying psychological causes and reasons for behaviour... they can ALWAYS find something, but the perceived seriousness can vary. As far as "assessment" goes there are many many psych labels that can be applied to an individual (True Gossip Forum posters are right into that), most have negative connotations as psych labels of personality, but each individual is more than a single "label" and it is naive and simplistic (to say the least) to apply a label (based on little evidence) and then regard that as defining the person. Also.... named "syndromes", mental disorders etc abound. I am sure there are many that can be applied to OP. Some sort of "anxiety" disorder is obvious in OP. GAD is probably as good a label as any, though Psychiatrists can tend to have their own "pet" disorder labels... there are probably MANY under the broad group of "anxiety disorders"... they may come up with any one of those.

All very "important stuff" when it comes to assessment and writing a report but (as an aside), not sufficient when it comes to any treatment or therapy. Individual differences tend to confound psych labels. Psych labels may be handy things to write on the cover of a patients clinical notes, or to include in a report, but outside the "barking mad" group, patient individual differences prevail.

One example to explain my point:
True Gossip Forum posters label most (all?) defendants as "Narcissistic" (sociopaths). However there is nothing inherently WRONG with narcissism. It may well also be a dominant personality trait in a performer or artist (for example). The point being that extreme personality traits... observed and even measured by psychiatric assessment, do not tell the whole story, or in fact any story when it comes to antisocial (or criminal) behaviour. Individual differences prevail. What is important is how the trait manifests itself for each individual.

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 5:58 pm 
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Summarising tweets:
(Karyn Maughan, Legal journalist at eNCA in Johannesburg)

  • OP will be evaluated as an OUT PATIENT at Weskoppies psychiatric hospital
  • Prof Herman Pretorius and Carla Kotze are the Weskoppies psychiatrists on OP panel.
  • Defense psychologist is Leon Fine
  • There is no minimum time for the evaluation, panel to decide what they need.

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Looks like it is all settled... I'm pleasantly surprised.... :cool

So the "trial" tonight will be a bit of a fizzer. I wonder if there will be any indication from the panel about how long they need?

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From a couple of weeks ago.......

Pistorius’s Cross-Examination Could Have Been Grounds for a Mistrial in a U.S. Court
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Pistorius, moreover, did not stand up well in the face of “pit bull” prosecutor Gerrie Nel’s “withering” five-day cross-examination in which he repeatedly changed his story and gave inherently incredible answers. To read the press accounts, the cross-examination “destroyed” Pistorius and “demolished” his credibility.

But if Pistorius did not come out well in the encounter, Nel did not either. An American lawyer might seriously question whether Nel’s techniques would have ever passed muster in a U.S. court—or, for that matter, in any court bound to guarantee the fair trial to which Oscar Pistorius is entitled. After all, a prosecutor’s role is not to pander to a ghoulish public with an insatiable appetite for sex and violence; it is to present the government’s evidence.

The cardinal rule of cross-examination is that the examiner must not make statements or make speeches. This is reserved for summation. The cross-examiner must ask questions. They may be leading or suggestive questions, but they must be questions. And, the role of opposing counsel and of the judge is to protect the witness from an overly zealous prosecutor. Nel’s approach was decidedly abusive and bullying. “Your version is concocted and tailored to fit the state’s case,” he thundered. “You are a liar,” Nel accused. His relentless hammering questions and improper statements drove Pistorius to tears. In a criminal trial this should never have been allowed to happen.

Nel began his flamboyant cross with a statement: “You shot and killed her. Say it—‘I shot and killed Reeva Steenkamp.’” Almost any judge would have sustained objection to this. Cross-examination is to ask questions, not to make declarative statements to test the story told on direct examination. A proper question might have been, “Did you shoot and kill Reeva Steenkamp?” This was undisputed anyway. Nel continued with his pattern of hectoring the witness, making bald statements that were not evidence and otherwise grandstanding to the public. “You are arrogant,” he said to Pistorius. He lectured the witness that the location of two ventilator fans was very important “because it will show you are lying.”


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Aside...

I see people debating about what the order will be... planning to be awake at 3:30AM to watch the trial and find out ... shame they don't at least READ at RT... they would have known the answer mid-afternoon, if not earlier. :cool

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 11:52 pm 
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There is no doubt at all that this panel will find that OP has issues with "anxiety"

Some sort of Anxiety disorder, if not a mental illness.

I am still at a loss to know what Nel will do once the evaluation is done. Since it was he who demanded this evaluation, he can hardly turn around and say thanks, but we still hold to a "version" where anxiety was not in play. We still maintain there was no intruder and so no anxiety.

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Looks like this pundit will be disappointed......

Oscar Pistorius: will athlete receive 'special treatment'?

Under South African law, Pistorius must go into hospital or prison tomorrow, says criminal lawyer

LAST UPDATED AT 15:26 ON Mon 19 May 2014

The waiting time for an inpatient place at psychiatric institutions in South Africa is reported to be several months long, with some people waiting up to two years. Masipa has indicated that outpatient treatment would be preferable for Pistorius, who is on trial for the murder his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.

This would mean he would face a shorter waiting period, remain on bail and, once the evaluation begins, return home each day.

But Mannie Witz, a criminal lawyer with the Bridge Group at the Johannesburg Bar, has said that under South Africa's Criminal Procedure Act Pistorius must be treated as an inpatient because he did not volunteer for the evaluation.

"He didn't ask to be referred, he opposed it," said Witz, who has been an advocate for more than 35 years and according to CNN once taught Judge Masipa. This means Pistorius would have to go immediately into custody, either in hospital or prison, once he is formally referred tomorrow.

"You can't give him any special treatment. He must be treated the same as every other person that is standing trial," Witz told South Africa's Channel 199, which has been set up especially to broadcast the Pistorius trial.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 4:09 am 
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So my info was correct... people could have avoided being up at 3:30 AM :cool

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The order is that he will present himself as an outpatient from May 26 at 9am every day for nor more than 30 days.

He will go to Weskoppies Hospital, Pretoria.

He must be there from 9am until 4pm every day.

There were provisos... WEEK DAYS ONLY and his attendance can be excused by Hospital Superintendent or supervising psychiatrist.... so he will only be required to attend as and when needed.

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I don't imagine the Lynch Mob crowd will be happy.... special treatment for OP :)

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Who would have thought... after 7? weeks of evidence and stuff the whole trial would be completely diverted onto this "Psychiatric assessment" track. :)

Psychiatrists are BOUND to find mental issues... it's their business :98

As I said... it completely changes the trial game once you involve psychiatrists and psychologists :doh

It seems to me that in the past it has been a "Defence Ploy".... I still struggle with the fact that it was NEL who pushed for this. :95

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I'm going to be totally honest here. Where Oscar Pistorius intended to murder his girlfriend, or whether it was an accident.

He is doomed! There is not much more I can add.

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And we'll never know if he intended to do it or if it was an accident even with his psych evaluation.


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