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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:27 pm 
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I'm not surprised by the negotiations but I would be surprised if a court would award adult parents money for gifted money that was anticipated to be earned by an adult daughter. I imagine a wrongful death lawsuit is in the wings regardless of the outcome of the trial. I don't know how deep Oscars pockets go. The Pistorius family seems to have a deep, deep well. Oscar's wealth after his sponsorships and commercial value dried up along with the huge price tag on his defense may be a bit shallow.


I don't know when a sprinter peaks. I don't know if there would be sponsorships to be had. If he is acquitted something I suggested a good while back is that he will write a book about his life, overcoming his disability and then overcoming his guilt about having killed Reeva and coming to terms with the "world" thinking that he was a murderer. It will be a book about coming to terms with himself and forgiving himself. I would expect him to do volunteer work with charities for people with mental illnesses if it is determined that a mental defect played some role in the events of that horrible AM. <<<< That is of course just my opinion of how this may play out in the end.

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Provided there are news reports... we can follow the inevitable civil suits, as we are for the Zimmerman case, even the Anthony case.

I guess we should be thankful that there is not the silly situation we have with the Zimmerman case and a threat of "Federal" (civil rights) charges which for all intents and purposes avoid "double jeopardy" rules. :doh

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I'm not a case follower (or crime follower) I read enough about the Zimmerman case to be pleased with the outcome being an acquittal.

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Broadcast--or not even live stream of audio--was made available to the reporters in the courtroom during the bail hearing in February 2013. They had intended to set up a room for reporters but there were problems. Therefore scarce accounts of the bail hearing were available.

I have found a quite comprehensive account of what went on in the bail hearing as reported live through tweets and analysis recaps of the two day event creating the closest thing to a rough transcript as it happened. What is most interesting is the systematic demolishing of Colonel Botha by Barry Roux. He was the lead detective in charge of the case. If you would like to take a trip through the Oscar Award winner of weak cases as I did starting with the bail hearing, here is the link and the real irony is that almost nothing has changed. It is still one of the weakest cases a year later.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2 ... e-coverage :66


Then continuing my journey tiptoeing through the tulips of disaster for the Nel-a-thon, I revisited Colonel Van Rensburg's cross examination and saw the utter crumbling of the evidence as it was also systematically dismantled by the Rouxmeister.

I had never realized while watching it as it originally was taking place how many blunders and exculpating statements were being admitted to in his testimony or how effective Roux was. But it is all in the court record now for Judge Masipa to boodle through this mine field of prosecution woe.

It was almost humorous to see it after knowing what I was looking for and after having a through understanding of how the evidence was supposed to fit together for the prosecution. You will laugh out loud when you hear the toilet window testimony. And remember this guy is supposed to have had 30 years in the South African Police Department and this is the guy that took over as head detective replacing Botha.

I've done all the work, all you have to do is enjoy. If you want to spend a couple hours hearing things I BET you didn't catch the first time, start here and then just follow the Yellow Brick Road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 9LQ#t=3818

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... iKxfXY#t=4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... P-qM00#t=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... f1ZaM#t=19


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I haven't read it all Aavi but I'm impressed. I argued to no avail elsewhere that the case was built on crap but my opinion even though backed with logical facts was not well received. I am so pleased that it is a bench trial.

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There is going to be a break in any new information coming to light, perhaps to keep the discussion ticking over people might like to pick up on some point made previously, or perhaps restate a broader view. New people may want to "re-post" points that they have raised elsewhere :)

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Haven't read it all either, Aavi, but thanks for the links. I am glad it's a bench trial and I don't see how they can tell whether he knew she was in that bathroom or not.


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Oscar Pistorius sells house where he killed girlfriend
Nick Zaccardi
May 30, 2014, 8:55 AM EDT

Oscar Pistorius has sold the house in which he fatally shot girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp last year.

One of Pistorius’ laywers said in March that the runner was selling the house to pay for legal costs associated with the trial. The trial began March 3, was first slated to run until March 20, but will now run into at least July. It is currently on break as Pistorius undergoes a mental evalution and will resume June 30.

“Due to the delay in finalizing the trial, the decision to urgently dispose of his single biggest asset, has had to be made,” lawyer Brian Webber said in a March 20 statement.

Pistorius had access to the house, valued at over $450,000 at last year’s bail hearing, for over a year since the shooting but had not returned as of March 20, leaving it sealed. Terms of the sale were not disclosed by Webber on Friday, but the lawyer said all of Pistorius’ personal items have been removed.

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I hope we can continue discussing the case here.

This thread is NOT locked to punish naughty children posters :cool

There is unlikely to be any new information, but feel free to go over the evidence already presented.

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Looks like judge Masipa is busy.


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/702898- ... id-killer/

As to Oscar I think Aavi laid out a very clear case for why the State hasn’t proven its case against Oscar. The “scream testimony” is contradictory and the late “ear witnesses” I just can’t give much credence to, it isn’t even proven “who” was heard screaming and if it had anything to do with Reeva and Oscar. The fact that Nel has made Oscar emotional state front and center is a gift to the defense in my opinion. The defense also has the fact that Oscar has no history of violence with women he dated.

I’m not clairvoyant so I won’t waste my time on fantasy scenarios that may have occurred between Oscar and Reeva that night and AM. IMO the forensics matches the core of Oscars story. It will be interesting to see what is revealed to the public about Oscars evaluation. I’m not of the mind that it is any of our business unless it is used as reasoning for an acquittal or a dismissal of the charges due to a a mental health incapacity ruling.

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Thanks for the link Carmelita.... I wonder if the lawyers are busy too? I kinda imagine Nel is taking advantage of the break to drink lots of cups of tea?

Yeah... damn that aavi :stamp

His comprehensive posts make it hard for me to add much

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I agree about his comprehensive posts, very good but we can comment on the various points he makes.

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Rumpole wrote:
I hope we can continue discussing the case here.

This thread is NOT locked to punish naughty children posters :cool

There is unlikely to be any new information, but feel free to go over the evidence already presented.


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Hope... The (Thread) Terminator :cool

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Hope, perhaps you shamed them into the corner for a while :30

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I'll try and post more frequently now I've got a bit more time on my hands.

It's been a hard slog for me, as I've only recently returned from Weskoppies. The diagnosis was ban-o-phobia which was likely caused by a variant strain of PTME (previous traumatic moderator experiences).

I'm happy to say that the treatment, together with the few weeks therapy on this forum has helped me make huge steps towards a complete recovery.

Plus I would have put on weight after having so many of these...

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Good to see you Steve :)


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Hi Steve.... the bad news is... I am thinking of banning you... dereliction of posting duties... :lol

However I think you can be "rehabilitated"... just a few posts.... one day at a time :cool

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I am s-o-o resolved and assured that I have reached the right conclusion about Oscar Pistorius. He is no more guilty of desiring to kill his girlfriend that night than I am.

It is bewildering to me to see the dim-wittery of so many densaphobes who have a almost a visceral passion to see him convicted. The concoctions range from the Standers being paid off--to he was viewing child porn which started the row of the century--to having his fingers in her mouth, not to try to help her, but to finish her off. And then using the black gaffer tape and plastic bags to dispose of her body. It's like wallowing through a virtual Rod Serling marathon. I feel I almost have to wear hip boots because the caca is getting so deep.

The favorite by-line to compensate for the abysymal lack of factual evidence is that it is a "circumstantial" case, therefore we can "infer" things. LOL. Well if you can infer that Mrs. Van Der Merwe heard an argument that night, then I can infer she was on LSD. Because both are equally baseless and not supported by anything. It is totally ignored that her husband contradicted her in what she thought she heard. But that doesn't deserve an inference. Apparently neither does the fact that that two security sweeps were done by security patrols during the same time in the same exact location and they heard nothing.

The logic to them doesn't support that he was on his stumps shuffling around. Well, tell that to the prosecution because they're stuck with it as an agreed fact. It would be like Tatoo from Fantasy Island versus Reeva. Only Tatoo doesn't have to balance on two points with something equivalent to the top side of a bowling pin. Why don't you look at the common cause evidence instead of "inferring" that he must have been on his prosthesis? Maybe you will come to a sensible conclusion that it would be ridiculous to think Reeva couldn't have done something other than run to the toilet in mortal fear of him.

This is a case resting on the second story of a vacant lot. This would be rejected as a Columbo script because at the end of the two hours, there would be nobody guilty. This starts with no motive and ends with no fight.

Questions:

When did the fight start?
Prosecution: We don't know.

Who started it?
Prosecution: We don't know

What was the fight about?
Prosecution: We don't know. :22 and :Gslap

It requires you to believe that a person who deliberately killed his girlfriend just bought a house to be closer to the person he wanted to kill. Infer that! It requires you to believe that Reeva has decided to sleep at the house of her killer just five hours before she was shot. Infer that! It requires you to believe that a person who hid in a locked room previously from the very same threat of a home invader which was very possibly the only thing that saved her life and her mother's life, wouldn't respond the same way again if she thought it was happening at Oscar's house. Infer that!

It is downright scary to think that these mental indigents might someday be on somebody's jury. Do the defendant a favor and get a doctor's note to be excused if you think Pistorius intended to murder Reeva Steenkamp because of a fight that night, or anything else; because you really will not be appreciated by those jurors who can competently evaluate and scrutinize evidence.


For those that are watching the same trial I am, I have refined even more details affirming my conclusions by tracking back though trial information.


The ladders are an essential factor in something that would have flashed through his mind and part and parcel to the believability of his story that an intruder could have used it at his house that night. It must be noted that he was aware of a home invasion where an intruder did that very thing to enter the house on the upper floor. This was given as testimony by the complex manager.

I wonder how many of us realize how close those ladders actually were to his window. It was much closer than I had thought. Look at the video here and freeze the frame of the back of his house. Note where the bathroom window is and where the ladders were stacked as testified to by Van Rensburg when he looked down from the balcony. It would have taken less than a minute to easily move the ladder around the corner to the window. As you will see they were very close, which is something he would have known.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... S2qI#t=739


Photos, their validity, and lack of reliability were a huge issue as to what the crime scene actually should have showed.

At this video link you will see the start of discrepancies with photos and continues to show that "Col Motha" was there taking photos before the official photographer Van Staden even started taking photos. Realize what this actually means is that the police tried to hide the photos of the full original crime scene. And they purported so hard to appear innocent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... _uY#t=2692


Here is were Roux is really starting to hammer Van Staden showing that he was right there with Motha in the bathroom at the same exact time when he claimed nobody was with him. Van Staden can't believe he's been caught like a deer in the headlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... _uY#t=4221


And the crowning glory...this taken in isolation would give cause for huge contemplation as a derivative clue already to me. But when taken into consideration with the appalling lack of factual evidence and zero motive to show that he intended to kill Reeva that night, it is mega-huge. This didn't immediately jump out at me when I was watching the testimony as it was being given live for the first time by Michael Nlengethwa, his next door neighbor who heard the high pitched crying.

He said he could make out the words Oscar was crying as NO-O-O PLEASE, PLEASE NO-O-O-O.

These are not the words you would hear if somebody just committed the murder they intended two minutes after the shots were fired. If you can tell me that with a straight face, I will tell you, you must have been born tomorrow. Oscar had no idea anybody would hear him or who it might be, or that he would be playing to an audience. He knew he had just very possibly killed the girl he had introduced to his neighbor as his "fiance." If you think he had also planned that a month earlier as part of his intended murder Valentine's night, I will tell you you were born a year from tomorrow.

He reacted with these words because he couldn't bear the thought of what he might have done and his brain was transmitting exactly what you would say.

Trying to give a word picture, here is a possible example:

You are standing at a sink with your disposal running. You are wearing a $20,000 diamond ring and the dish soap has made the oversized ring slip off your finger and you hear a huge grinding noise. You pull your hand out of the water and you know the reality of what just happened. How loud do you think that "NO-o-o-o would be?

Now, imagine a guy who had just realized he had very likely killed the lady he loved and was planning to spend his future with.

Listen for yourself and just imagine the true volume of how it would have really been that night as Mr. Nlengethwa heard it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 2qI#t=1075


To me this puts the check and check mate to the State's case. It is the bow on the package. There is no sound-minded commonsensical explanation for those words other than his realization of what he feared he would discover when he broke through that door. Anybody without a bias who, when taking into account all the other boundless loose ends and hypotheses that lead to nowhere in showing a postulation of guilt, has to know, these are the words of someone who has done something they never intended.

Anybody who thinks they could convince me otherwise if we were on this case in a jury room and we were jurors deciding it, is crazy.




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Thanks as always aavi. You have made a clear and convincing argument.

Things really are that clear cut... I agree.

The intentional shooting of Reeva never looked like a runner. As I have said repeatedly... that still leaves the possibilty of charges and even a conviction but.......
It seems to me that Nel is hell bent on shooting himself in the foot... repeatedly. He is determined to bolster the defence evidence in regards OP's Anxiety disorder.

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