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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:08 pm 
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He is saying that it was a shot straight into face... not down at an angle.

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Judge asking a few questions

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FINALLY Judge (David Turfe) lets him give opinion.... muzzle was in CONTACT with screen.....

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:16 pm 
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Defence clarifies that he has on numerous occasions test fired shotgun through a screen!!

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Court is adjourned.... back tomorrow?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:23 pm 
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Drunk creating a ruckus... at 4AM
Home owner justified in opening door with shotgun in hand.. locked and loaded and safety off... accidental discharge... no charges?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:51 pm 
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I'll put You Tube replays of today's hearing in the reference thread.....

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Discuss today's events here.. and I will carry on here with day 2 tomorrow. 9AM

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Still fascinated that kym Worthy tried to convince public Renish'as intoxication was irrelevant


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:40 pm 
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Sadly it's the "game" with these high profile cases.... lawyers on both sides, but especially prosecutors it seems to me, pushing a narrative in the media.
I do MUCH prefer the openness in USA... it is hopeless trying to follow cases in NZ, for instance, where everything is sub judice... until after verdict.... but I do think there should be limits on pontificating and trying to sway a jury pool by lawyers? Ideally I would like to see documents and discovery (as in Florida).. but no so much lawyers popping up on TV.
Or... at the very least lawyers SHOULD be limited to actual facts... not their own spin and false narrative.

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McBride testimony: Teen was confused after crash, gun didn't malfunction
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December 18, 2013 at 7:14 pm

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Dearborn Heights — Testimony is expected to continue Thursday in the preliminary hearing for Theodore Wafer, the 54-year-old homeowner charged in the shooting death of 19-year-old Detroit resident Renisha McBride on the front porch of his home on West Outer Drive.

Eight witnesses for the prosecutor and the defense testified Wednesday at the hearing before Dearborn Heights District Judge David Turfe. At the end of testimony, Turfe will make the determination whether Wafer should be bound over for trial on charges of second-degree murder, manslaughter and firearms violations.

Witnesses Wednesday included a representative of the Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office, the lead detective on the case from the Dearborn Heights Police Department, forensics and firearms experts and two women who saw McBride just hours before she was shot to death after a car crash she was involved in about a mile away from Wafer’s home.

The black double-barrel Mossburg 12-gauge shotgun with a pistol grip belonging to Wafer, believed to be the gun used to shoot McBride, also was shown in court. Michigan State Police Det. Sgt. Shawn Kolonich testified he concluded the gun was working properly and did not malfunction the morning Wafer shot.

“Without pulling the trigger this gun would not go off,” Kolonich testified. Wafer reportedly had told police at the scene the shooting was an accident.

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I have a question... how does one typically hold a long style gun? At the waist or under the armpit or at eye level?

I was just wondering... if he had it waist level, then is it possible that the screen is upside down and that the hole is on the top of the bottom portion of the screen?

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Mal... pics showed hole in screen towards top when it was in place. It seems logical for it not to be at bottom... with gun going off Wafer would have shot her in the foot... unless she was doing a head-stand :)

And from my vast knowledge of guns... watching movies etc....

You COULD hold a long gun (with a butt) at waist level... it could certainly accidentally go off while carried in that position....but its normal to brace with gun butt against shoulder, and look along barrel (sights).... this case involves a pistol grip shotgun... which you would normally hold lower down you body... certainly not up in front of your face.

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There's a metal bar in the center, separating the 2 halves of the screen. I meant if they flipped it around, the hole could be just below the center bar, making it waist level. Just wondering because of that one picture of the man holding the gun high above his head and at a downward angle. Seems incredibly unnatural.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:54 pm 
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It WAS unnatural... to be holding the gun up high and pointing down...that was what he was demonstrating. The height of the hole in the screen, and the height of McBride (standing on the lower level of porch below house floor level).. he says requires that sort of unnatural gun positioning. Hence he concludes (I think) that the screen panel must have come lose and dropped 8" BEFORE Wafer opened the door.

I fear there may be a lot of confusion now as to when the cops removed the screen etc.

But it was shown in place maybe it was just the screen door frame that was in place and locked... screen panel had dropped out? in early photos AND described in police report...

It seemed to me that the defence was suggesting that Drunk McBride had dislodged the screen before Wafer opened the door, but...... police report has the screen door still in place and locked (with tear towards the top). I guess then the FRAME was in place and locked... but the actual mesh panel was dislodged (according to David Balash).

Nothing is simple in trials.... this could end up as a point of discussion.

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Preliminary hearing in fatal porch shooting of 19-year-old Renisha McBride
Posted: 12/18/2013
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DEARBORN HEIGHTS, Mich. (AP) - A young, drunk woman fatally shot on a man's porch in suburban Detroit was hurt, scared and confused a few hours earlier when she crashed her car into a parked car, a witness testified Wednesday.

Carmen Beasley provided details about the hours preceding the death of Renisha McBride, 19, who was shot in the face by a 54-year-old homeowner in the dark, early morning of Nov. 2.

A Dearborn Heights judge is holding a hearing to determine if there's enough evidence to send Theodore Wafer to trial on a second-degree murder charge. Defense attorneys claim he feared for his life, but prosecutors say the shooting was not justified.

Beasley said she heard a "boom" outside her Detroit home about 1 a.m. and discovered that her car had been smashed. She called 911, went outside and found McBride, who had walked away but returned to the scene.

McBride was bleeding and pressing her hands to her head, Beasley testified.

"She couldn't find her phone. She was patting her pockets. ... She just kept saying she wanted to get home," Beasley said.

Beasley went back into her house to call an ambulance, but McBride had walked away again by the time help arrived.

McBride was "discombobulated" and appeared to be in a "confused state of not knowing where she was and not being able to give a phone number or anything," Beasley said.

More than three hours later, around 4:30 a.m., McBride was fatally shot by Wafer on his front porch in Dearborn Heights. He called 911 to report that he fired after someone was "banging on my door."

Dr. Kilak Kesha, who conducted the autopsy, testified that McBride was shot in the face at close range. He said her blood-alcohol level was about 0.22, more than twice the legal limit for driving, but that it was probably even higher before she was shot as blood-alcohol levels drop over time. He said she had also been using marijuana.

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http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/state/Prel ... ha-McBride

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Day one testimony included seven witnesses. Here's some of the key testimony:

  • Wayne County Medical Examiner Kilak Kesha testified that McBride had recently smoked marijuana and had a blood-alcohol level of approximately .28 or .29 at the time she was shot. She had a .217 blood-alcohol level at the time toxicology samples were retrieved hours later.
  • Kesha agreed that, based on the impact of the crash, McBride could have suffered a brain injury, but he could not confirm.
  • Medical examiner testified the shot was straight-forward from about 3 feet away.
  • Dearborn Heights Detective Sgt. Steve Gurka said when he arrived at the scene, the screen of Wafer's front door was dislodged. It's unclear if this occurred before or after the shot.
  • The screen door was locked.
  • Gurka testified that there were smudges, possibly from a palm, and "waffling," possibly from the screen, detected on the door.
  • Dearborn Heights police visited Wafer's home on three occasions, twice subsequent to the Nov. 2 shooting on Nov. 8 and Nov. 11 at the request of Wayne County Prosecutor.
  • Wafer was released and allowed to keep his weapon, a pistol-grip, 12-gauge Mossberg shotgun, after being questioned the morning of the homicide.
  • Two witnesses, Carmen Beasley, who owns the parked car struck by McBride, and Paris Pace, who was parked across the street, were present after the crash. Both said she appeared disoriented and left the scene and returned three times.
  • Detroit police were called after the crash at 1:57 a.m. on Nov. 2. They did not arrive until after 1:40 a.m. By then, McBride was gone.
  • State police firearms expert Shawn Kolonich inspected the shotgun and confirmed, at least during testing, it did not fire without about 6.5 pounds of pressure being applied to the trigger.
  • A firearms expert for the defense (he said he was working under a $3,500 retainer) testified that based on the height of McBride and the entrance of the home, the screen would have had to be dislodged prior to the shooting.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... h_kil.html

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DAY 2 - The Hearing continues today 12-19-13 9:00AM EST

Hearing live feeds

Click On Detroit: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/live ... index.html

Whoopwhoop: http://whoopwhoop.tv/wafer.htm

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Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2013 ... |FRONTPAGE

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mlive: http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... enish.html

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