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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:19 pm 
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Where the heck did the story about the judge revealing an 11 to 1 vote to find Slager guilty? Because that is nonsense.

It wasn't just you, Carm. :)

This was an "assumption" made based ONLY on the notes that were sent to the Judge by the foreperson, plus the one note from a juror on Thursday and Friday. AND like the rumor of replacing "the juror" -- nothing was ever said in open court about replacing a juror.

It was only discovered this morning, by a note, that the "jury is undecided by a majority of jurors."

The Judge made it clear today that any and all notes from hereon-out will be signed by the foreperson.


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The 11 - 1 split was revealed by foreperson relaying that she wanted ONE person thrown off jury, and ONE PERSON submitting a note that HE (alone) could not change to a guilty vote. The rest... as they say.. is history.

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Also.... although cops are NOT above the law.. SPECIAL circumstances do arise for a cop.

NOT ONLY reasonable concerns for his own life, but consideration of the wider public. A cop has a DUTY to protect the wider community/ potential victims from a fleeing perp. Shooting the bastard could well be a reasonable action in that context.

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Rumpole wrote:
The 11 - 1 split was revealed by foreperson relaying that she wanted ONE person thrown off jury, and ONE PERSON submitting a note that HE (alone) could not change to a guilty vote. The rest... as they say.. is history.
Hi Rumpole :28

I went back and listened to Friday's stuff. The judge received two notes from the foreperson along with the (long letter) note from the juror.

The foreperson's two notes said:

    "it's just one juror that has the issues"

    "that juror needs to leave, he is having issues"

After those notes were read by the Judge, there was never discussion in open court about "replacing a juror." The news media made it up. :)


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IF the jury system is to work properly... it requires INDEPENDENT thinkers who are NOT swayed by the "hive mentality" that often takes over groups of people.

CLEARLY one juror was ADAMANT about Not Guilty. One attempt at "Try again" is part of the law.. but to send them back a third time when the juror had again refused to change their evaluation is NOT. The "hoop" of requiring a "point of law" to consider is a bit of a contrived game.. especially when there WAS NO QUESTION as such and it required time to contrive one..

A guilty verdict now can ONLY be due to wearing down (coercing) the one Juror. This Trial should have been ended last Friday.

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Molly wrote:
After those notes were read by the Judge, there was never discussion in open court about "replacing a juror." The news media made it up. :)


Yeah I get that. I pointed out the CBS "tweet and delete".. and Froggie helped confirm that

I accept it WAS NOT the Judge who suggested removing Juror.. but rather the daft woman foreperson.

That does NOT change the fact that NONE OF US (not even the Judge) should know what the Jury split is, and not what the prevailing (hive) verdict is.
The Juror was adamant about NOT GUILTY.. the Jury was given the LEGAL instructions and sent back to deliberate a second time. (even THAT could be regarded as "coercive, and so is done under precise conditions.. carefully worded so that juror(s) do not feel FORCED to change their genuine opinion) The Juror STILL ADAMANT about Not Guilty.. The trial should have ended there.

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There are only TWO acceptable outcomes now.

1. The Jury remains "Hung" and so there is (luckily) no apparent damage done by the shonky procedure and coercion of one Juror

2. The Jury present a verdict of "NOT GUILTY". (not likely)

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Thanks Molly and Rumpole :69 . This is what I learned from the video Molly posted.

Majority of jurors are undecided.


Their questions;

Why was voluntary manslaughter offered in edition to murder?

(What) sufficient legal provocation means? Who does it apply to?

What is meant by imminent danger?

Define aforethought for murder?

Is there a time frame one second from the moment or the moment before?

Is the idea of self defense applied to a police officer the same as to an ordinary person?

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The judge chose not to address the juror who stated that he will not convict.

Damn good defense attorney as he lays the blame of the misrepresentation of the 11/1 split squarely at the foot of the judge. Defense attorney also says that the foreman “may” not be allowing for a fair playing field for all of the jurors.

Unequivocal statement is that the majority of jurors are undecided.

The defense attorney asks the judge to follow precedent law as established by the Supreme and Circuit Court which goes to a policeman’s actions in the line of duty. Defense attorney also tells the boneheaded judge that the last question asked was already answered in the Grahm v Connor case. Connor "The calculous of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split second judgements in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation.”

That is the United State’s Supreme Court’s definition.

(Make no mistake this defense attorney is saying “Save yourself the embarrassment of reversal on appeal.” )


Defense attorney reminds the judge that the defense has asked for this definition to be made clear from the bench since day one of the trial. This makes the judge look really really bad.


The judge is an ass. He said the jury is deliberating so they are not deadlocked. The jury is basically confined by the judge at the point of gun to the ruse of deliberation after at least one juror has said he is immovable.

The majority of the jurors are undecided means some are decided.

Lots of nonsensical verbal gymnastics from the black robe.

“There is one standard of self defense.” No there is not. The defense attorney just reminded you about the SCOTUS decision in Graham v Connor.
SCOTUS disagrees with you Judge. And a judge chuckling on the bench in a murder trial is ridiculous.

Defense attorney reminds the judge in open court :94 in accordance with the law as demanded from his bench that the jury may not lawfully consider Man Slaughter unless and until they decide that the defendant is not guilty of murder, if the jury is asking a question about Man Slaughter they can only be doing one of two things 1) defying the judges instructions or 2) have already found Slager not guilty of murder.

The judge’s amazing response “That may be the belief of some it may not be the belief of others’’

WHAT! :doh

It can’t be the belief of “some and not others” Slager has either been found guilty of murder by 12 of his peers or he has not been found guilty. They don’t get to keep Murder on the back burner while they chat about man slaughter, that is called not guilty of Murder and then on to Man Slaughter deliberations. What a moron.

Ha! ha! The defense attorney tells a sitting judge that his inaction may be viewed as coercion by the juror who sent the note about not being able to convict Slager.

I really like the defense attorney.


My opinion is that certain jurors decided Slager was guilty of murder before they walked in the courtroom. I believe the jurist, the judge, is one of those people.

PS I meant to say just from the questions the juror pool does not sound like all of them made it to the deep end of the gene pool.

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Rumpole wrote:
A guilty verdict now can ONLY be due to wearing down (coercing) the one Juror. This Trial should have been ended last Friday.


:77 Yep.

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Court was to resume at 2:00PM ET, nothing yet. Live stream is up but only showing clock, as it does during recess.

I hope y'all get this figured out before I get back. ;)

LIVE: http://www.postandcourier.com/news/watc ... 4da5f.html

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eta: court back in session 3:06PM


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Judge and lawyers have been (stil are) back in Court.. arguing... bickering...


I see the defence AWARE of point I have made many times... there is a risk of a "Consolation verdict".. by a jury thinking its ok to find the perp guilty of "something" Not even realising that the so called "lesser charge" has VERY serious penalties.. up to LIFE!!

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Defense says "lesser included offense" could give jury the impression that it literally is a lesser offense. #SlagerTrial #WalterScott

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Judge stomping his feet.. saying he gave Jury (yet more) instructions 2 and half hours ago..

"I aint gonna give nore 'structions" :stamp

YO!! Judge! This trial is DONE! Stick a fork in it!

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Judge is not going to give jury further instructions at this time, per defense request. Court is recess.Deliberations continue. #SlagerTrial

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The State wanted the judge to amend the new instructions he had given the jury two & a half hours earlier. :roll

Court in recess until they hear from the jury.

Here's the circus tents outside the Courthouse.

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And that's the way it goes. Should have been declared a mistrial on Friday.

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Court back in Session.

Note from jury, they cannot come to an unanimous decision.

Judge will bring in jury and declare a mistrial.

State is arguing.


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#FakeNews being created before our very eyes.

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And based on the increased twitter activity, LET THE PROTESTS BEGIN.

Only 20 more looting days until Christmas. ;)


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JUDGE HAS JUST OFFICIALLY DECLARED A MISTRIAL IN THE CASE OF MICHAEL SLAGER. #SlagerTrial #WalterScott

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Too bad the jury didn’t say despite our best efforts, the jury foreman and the judge’s coercion we regret to inform the court we cannot reach a unanimous verdict.

Look at this piece of shit judge the jurors should still have a gag order as it is obvious the foreman is going to set people on anyone who didn't condemn Slager straight to hell.

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